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    Madson Melo
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    [quote=”MadsonMelo”] 8 out of 13 winners in lead actress of the 00’s were real people, that’s something

    And to be honest, Natalie Portman and at a push Jennifer Lawrence character’s were the only two who played characters that seem fictional. Because Swank and Winslet’s characters could easily be real life people too, if you put the classic “Based on a true story” at the end of MDB or The Reader you could easily believe that their characters were real people too.[/quote]

    FOR SURE! And what about Halle Berry? Easy to believe that a normal human being could go throught those things.

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    Another ones:

    THE DISABILITY/MENTAL ILLNESS (Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, Daniel Day Lewis in My left foot, Colin Firth in The King’s Speech, Natalie Portman in Black Swan, Jennifer Lawrence in Silver Linings Playbook…)

    THE MONSTER MOTHER (Mo’Nique in Precious, Piper Laurie in Carrie, Melissa Leo in The Fighter, Patricia Clarkson in Pieces of April, Jo Van Fleet in East of Eden…)

    THE SAINT MOTHER (Joan Crawford in Mildred Pierce, Jacki Weaver in Silver Linings Playbook, Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side…)

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    [quote=”TitaniumGold”][quote=”MadsonMelo”] 8 out of 13 winners in lead actress of the 00’s were real people, that’s something

    And to be honest, Natalie Portman and at a push Jennifer Lawrence character’s were the only two who played characters that seem fictional. Because Swank and Winslet’s characters could easily be real life people too, if you put the classic “Based on a true story” at the end of MDB or The Reader you could easily believe that their characters were real people too.[/quote]

    FOR SURE! And what about Halle Berry? Easy to believe that a normal human being could go throught those things.[/quote]

    Oops, knew there was one I forgot! Yeah, she defintlely a realistic person. And to be fair even Lawrence’s character could have gone through the same things if she was real. That leaves Natalie Portman all by herself! 1/13. That’s pretty shocking!

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    Another ones:

    THE DISABILITY/MENTAL ILLNESS (Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, Daniel Day Lewis in My left foot, Colin Firth in The King’s Speech, Natalie Portman in Black Swan, Jennifer Lawrence in Silver Linings Playbook…)

    THE MONSTER MOTHER (Mo’Nique in Precious, Piper Laurie in Carrie, Melissa Leo in The Fighter, Patricia Clarkson in Pieces of April, Jo Van Fleet in East of Eden…)

    THE SAINT MOTHER (Joan Crawford in Mildred Pierce, Jacki Weaver in Silver Linings Playbook, Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side…)

    It’s insane how you can fit so many of these different characters from completely different films into so few categories.  

    Add Kim Stanley in Frances, Angela Lansbury in The Machurian Candidate, Diane Ladd in Wild at Heart and Jacki Weaver in Animal Kingdom to the list of monster mothers and you realise just how much of a shoe in it must be to get nominated in supporting actress for playing an evil mother. All the ones I’ve seen though did deserve to get nominated, except Diane Ladd who was horrifyingly hammy IMO.

    And add Russell Crowe for A Beautiful Mind, Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump and Philidelphia, Jessica Lange in Frances and Blue Sky, Bradley Cooper in Silver Linings, Brad Pitt in Twelve Monkeys, 

    Then you’ve got a seprate category for actress who won oscars for playing deaf women; Patty Duke, Holly Hunter and Marlee Matlin.

    And may personal favourite catgeory, just for how specific it is; women struggling on to save a failing farm; Jessica Lange in Country, Sissy Spacek in The River and Sally Field in Places in the Heart… All released the same year and in the same category!!!!

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    Sure, the Suffering Wife/Husband list goes on and on… I just took the most recent names…

    Helena Bonham Carter was a suffering wife. Believe it or not, she was there with her husband, encouraging him to go to therapy. The best suffering wife or husband is also the MOST SUPPORTIVE. And that’s what Helena Bonham Carter does. She gets involved in the conflict, in the plot, as the help for the leading character, not as the mentor. We can also add the Suffering mother/father (Brenda Fricker in My left foot, for example). The suffering wive has increased in the last years in a BRUTAL number of performances.

    FULL LIST, in my opinion:

    SUFFERING HUSBAND
    1977 – Jason Robards, Julia
    1979 – Frederic Forrest, The Rose
    2001 – Jim Broadbent, Iris

    SUFFERING WIFE
    1940 – Jane Darwell, The Grapes of Warth
    1941 – Mary Astor, The Great Lie
    1951 – Kim Hunter, A streetcar named desire
    1951 – Mildred Dunnock, Death of a salesman
    1954 – Dorothy Malone, Written on the wind
    1971 – Cloris Leachman, The Last Picture Show
    1976 – Beatrice Straight, Network
    1978 – Geraldine Page, Interiors
    1979 – Meryl Streep, Kramer versus Kramer
    1980 – Cathy Moriarty, Raging Bull
    1988 – Frances McDormand, Mississippi Burning
    1990 – Lorraine Bracco, Goodfellas
    1992 – Judy Davis, Husbands and wives
    1992 – Miranda Richardson, Damage
    1994 – Helen Mirren, The Madness of King George
    1995 – Joan Allen, Nixon
    1995 – Kathleen Quinlan, Apollo 13
    1996 – Joan Allen, The Crucible
    1997 – Joan Cusack, In and Out
    2000 – Marcia Gay Harden, Pollock
    2001 – Jennifer Connelly, A beautiful mind
    2001 – Marisa Tomei, In the bedroom
    2002 – Julianne Moore, The Hours
    2002 – Julianne Moore, Far From Heaven
    2003 – Shohreh Aghdashloo, House of sand and fog
    2003 – Marcia Gay Harden, Mystic River
    2004 – Laura Linney, Kinsey
    2004 – Sophie Okonedo, Hotel Rwanda
    2005 – Michelle Williams, Brokeback Mountain
    2008 – Penelope Cruz, Vicky Cristina Barcelona
    2010 – Helena Bonham Carter, The King’s Speech
    2012 – Sally Field, Lincoln
    2012 – Amy Adams, The Master

    That list got very creative. Several of them suffer while being wives/husbands and not because of it. That way you can add even more, for example Nicole Kidman on both “The Hours” and “Rabbit Hole” or Renee Zellweger on “Chicago” (although John C. Reilly would be deserving addition). Hard to compare Williams, Straight and Connelly with characters from Page, Streep or Moore on “The Hours” who rather make people around them suffer than suffer quietly because of them and their actions. Those are two different things – the former are passive, trapped and our perspective on them depends on their partners, the latter are active and create their own misery, albeit because they feel they have no other choice, and we can see them not as “suffering wives” but “suffering women” more than anything. And if they’re “suffering wives”, then also “suffering mothers” equally. But I agree to disagree with you, good list. I can give you a pass on Helena Bonham Carter, even if I still believe that in case of her character suffering is an exaggeration.

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