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How does ‘She Said’ qualify as a British film? And I’m interested that you include it in your top 10 films but don’t include Maria Schrader in your top 10 Directors. Also, I hope that if the film is as strong as I expect it to be, that Samantha Morton makes the BAFTA long list for Best Supporting Actress; multiple scenes were filmed in the U.K. which I suspect will feature her. Historically, the work of her character, Zelda Perkins, to make non-disclosure agreements unlawful may turn out to be the most significant legacy of the N.Y. Times’s investigation into Weinstein’s conduct.
I mistakingly had it down in British film instead of Next Goal Wins (which is being produced by Andy Serkis’ production company Imaginarium) so thank you for pointing that out. I’ll go back and correct it.
I have Schrader making the long-list of 20 (which is something I feel pretty bullish about assuming She Said is a contender). I guess I only have her missing the top 10 because this is looking like a very competitive (and in the case of female directors an incredibly strong one overall when it comes to arthouse and international cinema) director field. However not all of the names I have listed ahead of her for the nomination are probably not going to be ahead of her during the long-listing round of voting so I think her nomination chances will ultimately boil down to how much her work on She Said stands out with this type of voting system and what field she ends up contending with. If it’s one that is more akin to the 2021 long-list of contenders (where we saw films like One Night in Miami and The Trial of the Chicago 7 make the long-list) as opposed to this year’s (where we saw films such as Happening and The Souvenir Part II mentioned) I think she would be in a much better position for a nomination.
I actually have Morton making the long-list at the moment because I’m predicting the film to do well in the long-listing round and because she just strikes me as the type of veteran character actor who has a strong amount of individual respect (she surprisingly made the cut for the I Am… series on the television side at BAFTA a few years ago in spite of not having the most buzzed about performance for the show and her co-stars have gotten in over her with the other British television award associations, she also got nominated for Control in spite of the film failing to receive other major acting nominations when the membership was voting) and her role in She Said seems quite plum. I have not read the source material She Said is based on so but I would have assumed considering the role she is playing that it will be one that is quite narratively prominent which could really play to her advantage in the jury round of voting if it’s a standout performance with not too prominent screen time with how much the juries on both TV and film sides have tended to gravitate to those quirks. It helps that in spite of being a 2 time Academy Award nominated actor she’s still someone who I think many would consider an underdog due to having not been that prominent on the awards circuit in so many years.
FYC: Better Call Saul, The English and The Good Fight in all categories including Emily Blunt, Bob Odenkirk, Christine Baranski and Rhea Seehorn.
There’s no reason for Colman to not be top 2 when her film is being predicted as #1 in Picture.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Tea is we don’t know if the BAFTA film win curse is back nomadland was a outlier then it was back for now I am picking empire of light to do a 1917 at BAFTAS</p>
I feel BAFTA is more interested in showcasing new British talents than the ones who are already mainstream and no longer need their push. Olivia won’t be a jury pick. If she gets nominated, it will be because she got slotted in Top 2 which in the sea of performances this year seems a bit impossible.
I feel BAFTA is more interested in showcasing new British talents than the ones who are already mainstream and no longer need their push. Olivia won’t be a jury pick. If she gets nominated, it will be because she got slotted in Top 2 which in the sea of performances this year seems a bit impossible.
I mean it’s understandable why BAFTA juries don’t go for Colman, because she’s well established. They won’t go for Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, Helen Mirren, Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet, Rachel Weisz as well because they’re well established actresses. They’ll nominate them ONLY if the performance is undeniable and can’t be ignored (like Winslet’s BAFTA TV nomination for Mare). If Colman gives a perfomance that is as raved, acclaimed, buzzy and huge as Winslet in Mare, I don’t think the jury will snub her. Maybe Empire Of Light will be the film to give Colman that elusive BAFTA nomination.
I mean it’s understandable why BAFTA juries don’t go for Colman, because she’s well established. They won’t go for Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, Helen Mirren, Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet, Rachel Weisz as well because they’re well established actresses. They’ll nominate them ONLY if the performance is undeniable and can’t be ignored (like Winslet’s BAFTA TV nomination for Mare). If Colman gives a perfomance that is as raved, acclaimed, buzzy and huge as Winslet in Mare, I don’t think the jury will snub her. Maybe Empire Of Light will be the film to give Colman that elusive BAFTA nomination.
Actually, I think it may be harder for an established British actor to get a BAFTA Film nomination than a BAFTA TV nomination. Winslet WAS nominated recently, but it was for a TV role, however Mulligan and Garfield missed out on recent BAFTA film nominations for very “raved, acclaimed, buzzy” film roles.
Actually, I think it may be harder for an established British actor to get a BAFTA Film nomination than a BAFTA TV nomination. Winslet WAS nominated recently, but it was for a TV role, however Mulligan and Garfield missed out on recent BAFTA film nominations for very “raved, acclaimed, buzzy” film roles.
Yeah the Mulligan snub is the one that really sticks out to me, more so than Garfield because his film was completely shut out at BAFTA and wasn’t as big of a contender as Mulligan and PYM. But now the rules have been changed. My point is more that (a) Colman will likely make into top 2 if her film is predicted to be #1 in Best Picture and (b) even if she isn’t top 2, she can get nominated by a jury if the role achieves the same level of strength as Mulligan for PYM or Hopkins for The Father considering the jury would not want to have another Carey Mulligan’s snub-type controversy.
There’s hardly such a thing as being undeniable under a jury system of voting, especially with the one the BAFTA television awards employ where they vote on the six performances with the most votes from the membership and two submissions each from 6 to 10 broadcasters. Olivia Colman, Jodie Comer and Kate Winslet all had similarly received, buzzy career topping performances in contention for this year’s television awards. However the circumstances behind each of their situations were very different. Kate Winslet and Jodie Comer aren’t underdogs by any means but they had a novelty factor with this being only Winslet’s second television appearance (after Mildred Pierce, which didn’t really land in the UK, ten years ago) in many decades and her having not ever been nominated for a TV BAFTA and with this being Comer’s first major TV role since Killing Eve and, whilst having become a big star in the UK, she’s still a performer who is considered not to have really gotten their due yet (she had three major projects last year in which she delivered critically acclaimed and/or well received performances and didn’t really get much recognition, either mainstream or awards, for them) and similar to Joanna Scanlan this year her acting style is very jury friendly and her project is a monumental piece of filmmaking that will hold a sense of cultural and socio-political relevancy in many years to come.
Olivia Colman’s problem with juries isn’t as a result of her being a very established performer. Both her Landscapers and The Lost Daughter co-stars are also quite established. Anthony Hopkins, Daniel Kaluuya, Frances McDormand, Jesse Plemons and Will Smith are also quite established performers and have made it in with the juried voting system the BAFTA film awards employ. Just this year Emily Watson was nominated for the leading actress category at the BAFTA TV awards. Nor is it as a result of “British people being fatigued by her” theory that this forum likes to regurgitate all the time. The issue she faces is that her Oscar win has completely transformed the type of career she’s having. She does no wrong and continues to deliver phenomenal awards worthy performances but after having won an Oscar, BAFTA film award, Golden Globe, 2 SAG awards, Emmy and been in prominent roles in 3 Oscar nominated productions and 2 Emmy winning productions in the past four years alone, performances like the ones she gave in Landscapers and The Lost Daughter are only to be expected of her. She’s no longer everyone’s favourite underrated veteran character actress who hasn’t gotten her due but one of Hollywood and the UK’s biggest leading ladies. Is it unfair? Yes. But it’s also something that doesn’t only afflict her. Gillian Anderson has only ever been nominated for two BAFTAs and both of those were for performances that also offered an element of novelty. Keeley Hawes and Claire Foy delivered two of the most acclaimed performances of the year (which did attract a lot of “awards buzz”) this year but neither were “quirky” enough picks for the jury with the former being one of the biggest names in British television and the latter also being an industry heavy-hitter who since her last BAFTA TV nomination has won 2 Emmys and been nominated for a Golden Globe and BAFTA film award.
Whether Colman makes it back in this year with the jury will depend on how much a novelty there is behind her performance in Empire of Light (I do think she probably would have gotten in for The Favourite even if it was released now with the film’s absurd tone and the range of emotions she showcased with only one third of narrative prominence, as would Rachel Weisz). Of course Empire of Light could just end up being a strong enough contender overall for her to be able to bypass the jury and get in as one of the two membership picks.
FYC: Better Call Saul, The English and The Good Fight in all categories including Emily Blunt, Bob Odenkirk, Christine Baranski and Rhea Seehorn.
the jury would not want to have another Carey Mulligan’s snub-type controversy.
The definition of controversy is stretched here.
FYC: Better Call Saul, The English and The Good Fight in all categories including Emily Blunt, Bob Odenkirk, Christine Baranski and Rhea Seehorn.
The definition of controversy is stretched here.
Didn’t the snub single handedly force BAFTA to change its rules and reports stated Industry insiders were angry about it?
Didn’t the snub single handedly force BAFTA to change its rules and reports stated Industry insiders were angry about it?
Sure it did result in an adjustment of rules but one awards snub for one of the British film industry’s most recognisable film stars who went on to get nominated for an Oscar in a film that won a major Academy Award is not something that weighs on the minds of a jury comprised of different industry professionals with each passing year as much as it does on forums about awards and visual media like this lol.
It’s not as if there weren’t any snubs of big frontrunners in the actress and supporting actress categories last year after the top two rule was introduced last year.
FYC: Better Call Saul, The English and The Good Fight in all categories including Emily Blunt, Bob Odenkirk, Christine Baranski and Rhea Seehorn.
Olivia Colman’s problem with juries isn’t as a result of her being a very established performer.
Nor is it as a result of “British people being fatigued by her” theory that this forum likes to regurgitate all the time. The issue she faces is that her Oscar win has completely transformed the type of career she’s having.
Whether Colman makes it back in this year with the jury will depend on how much a novelty there is behind her performance in Empire of Light
That’s a well analysed interesting interpretation of Colman’s situation.
All of the Colman discussion makes it even wilder that her career trajectory went the way it did within the last 10 years. It’s every working actors dream scenario.
Pre-2010: character actress and 5th billed sitcom star
2010-2012: Tyrannosaur makes her an underrated fav
2013-2018: Broadchurch makes her one of the top British stars in her homeland, that’s also not known abroad (by a majority)
2019-present: Oscar win catapults her to an internationally adored A-lister, loved in the vein as the great Dames of UK thespians.do the jury value critically acclaimed performances because vanessa kirby , troy kotsur , aunjaunee ellis , will smith , emilia Jones , maria bakalova (although she was second in critics wins ) are from movies that aren’t that acclaimed critically ?
I don’t know when I’ll be able to make my next long-list update (I’m unsure how active I’ll be able to be this coming Oscar season) but with Cannes having finished I thought I’d post one now.
(Assuming Killers of the Flower Moon skips eligibility.)
Best Film
– Babylon
– The Banshees of Inisherin
– Cha Cha Real Smooth
– Elvis
– Empire of Light
– Everything Everywhere All at Once
– The Fabelmans
– Next Goal Wins
– Poor Things
– Rustin
– She Said
– The Son
– White Noise
– Women TalkingBest British Film
– The Banshees of Inisherin
– The Batman
– Downton Abbey : A New Era
– Emily
– Empire of Light
– Enys Men
– The Eternal Daughter
– Fantastic Beasts : The Secret of Dumbledore
– God’s Creatures
– Good Luck to You, Leo Grande
– Living
– The Lost King
– Matilda
– Men
– Mrs Harris Goes to Paris
– Next Goal Wins
– The Northman
– Poor Things
– The Silent Twins
– The SonBest Director
– Park Chan-Wook for Decision to Leave
– Damien Chazelle for Babylon
– Saela Davis and Anna Rose Holmer for God’s Creatures
– Robert Eggers for The Northman
– Mia Hansen-Løve for Bergman Island
– Oliver Hermanus for Living
– Joanna Hogg for The Eternal Daughter
– Sophie Hyde for Good Luck to You, Leo Grande
– Hirokazu Kore-eda for Broker
– Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert for Everything Everywhere All at Once
– Yorgos Lanthimos for Poor Things
– Martin McDonagh for The Banshees of Inisherin
– Sam Mendes, for Empire of Light
– Frances O’Connor for Emily
– Ruben Östlund for Triangle of Sadness
– Sarah Polley for Women Talking
– Gina Prince-Bythewood for The Woman King
– Kelly Reichardt for Showing Up
– Maria Schrader for She Said
– Agnieszka Smoczynska for Silent TwinsBest Actress
– Naomi Ackie, I Wanna Dance with Somebody
– Cate Blanchett, T.A.R
– Olivia Colman, Empire of Light
– Viola Davis, The Woman King
– Danielle Deadwyler, Till
– Laura Dern, The Son
– Zoe Kazan, She Said
– Emma Mackey, Emily
– Carey Mulligan, She Said
– Margot Robbie, Babylon
– Emma Stone, Poor Things
– Emma Thompson, Good Luck to You, Leo Grande
– Michellle Williams, Showing Up
– Letitia Wright, Silent Twins
– Michelle Yeoh, Everything Everywhere All at OnceBest Actor
– Christian Bale, Canterbury Glass
– Austin Butler, Elvis
– Colman Domingo, Rustin
– Adam Driver, White Noise
– Michael Fassbender, Next Goal Wins
– Colin Firth, Empire of Light
– Brendan Foster, The Whale
– Brendan Gleeson, The Banshees of Inisherin
– Park Hae-il, Decision to Leave
– Hugh Jackman, The Son
– Daryl McCormack, Good Luck to You, Leo Grande
– Paul Mescal, Aftersun
– Bill Nighy, Living
– Eddie Redmayne, The Good Nurse
– Alexander Skarsgard, The NorthmanBest S. Actor
– Andre Braugher, She Said
– Don Cheadle, White Noise
– Willem Dafoe, Poor Things
– Paul Dano, The Fabelmans
– Colin Farrell, The Banshees of Inisherin
– Tom Hanks, Elvis
– Key Huy Quan, Everything Everywhere All at Once
– Zen McGrath, The Son
– Brad Pitt, Babylon
– Seth Rogen, The Fabelmans
– Mark Ruffalo, Poor Things
– Ashton Sanders, I Wanna Dance with Somebody
– Michael Ward, Empire of Light
– Ben Whishaw, Women TalkingBest S. Actress
– Jessie Buckley, Women Talking
– Patricia Clarkson, She Said
– Kerry Condon, The Banshees of Insherin
– Claire Foy, Women Talking
– Anne Hathaway, Armageddon Time
– Stephanie Hsu, Everything Everywhere All at Once
– Li Jun Li, Babylon
– Vanessa Kirby, The Son
– Tamara Lawrence, Silent Twins
– Thuso Mbedu, The Woman King
– Audra McDonald, Rustin
– Frances McDormand, Women Talking
– Samantha Morton, She Said
– Jean Smart, Babylon
– Michelle Williams, The FabelmansFYC: Better Call Saul, The English and The Good Fight in all categories including Emily Blunt, Bob Odenkirk, Christine Baranski and Rhea Seehorn.
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