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This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.Do we think Mike Faist gets in at BAFTA after missing GG, CC and SAG? I really want him to get some recognition, he certainly deserves it.
I want it too but I honestly have no idea how audiences are responding to West Side Story over there. I am very pleased to see that both Faist and Alvarez along with the three leading ladies of WSS are all longlisted! That is very encouraging.
ReplyCopy URLDo we think Mike Faist gets in at BAFTA after missing GG, CC and SAG? I really want him to get some recognition, he certainly deserves it.
Well, a lot of performers in Best Pictures contenders tend to get carried by without precursors. Off the top of my head, I think of Jonah Hill, Marina de Tavira and Leslie Manville.
ReplyCopy URLThat Best Film longlist is truly bleak with zero non-English-language films and some very questionable choices. Guess taste has died.
The longlists are indeed bleak, but I question the new expectation that we must now include films in languages other than English, as if British awards naturally preferencing films in English is odd at best and a hate crime at worst. Demanded inclusion of films in languages other than English will causally do nothing to improve racial and gender justice, which is the goal of diversity discussions. Language diversity is not an indicator of improvements in racial or gender justice and calls for non-English language film representation in and of itself are not just a shifting of the goalposts, but also a misdirection of American values towards BAFTA and cinema in the UK more broadly.
Is there value in having more non-white acting nominees and women nominated in directing, writing and tech? Absolutely. Will this be intrinsically brought on by having more French, Swedish, Italian and Danish films represented? Absolutely not.
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The Great - Elle Fanning, Nicholas Hoult and comedy writing and directingSeverance in drama series, writing, Adam Scott for best actor, Ben Stiller for drama directing, and the whole cast in supporting.
Do we think Mike Faist gets in at BAFTA after missing GG, CC and SAG? I really want him to get some recognition, he certainly deserves it.
I’m predicting him because his performance is electric and generates a lot of passion from those who watch and this could do well with the juries.
However, I won’t be surprised if Alvarez happens instead of him, because of the reason the jury system was created in the first place. I have a hard time seeing both of them on it.
ReplyCopy URLThe longlists are indeed bleak, but I question the new expectation that we must now include films in languages other than English, as if British awards naturally preferencing films in English is odd at best and a hate crime at worst. Demanded inclusion of films in languages other than English will causally do nothing to improve racial and gender justice, which is the goal of diversity discussions. Language diversity is not an indicator of improvements in racial or gender justice and calls for non-English language film representation in and of itself are not just a shifting of the goalposts, but also a misdirection of American values towards BAFTA and cinema in the UK more broadly. Is there value in having more non-white acting nominees and women nominated in directing, writing and tech? Absolutely. Will this be intrinsically brought on by having more French, Swedish, Italian and Danish films represented? Absolutely not.
The point of your post…I don’t know
When you have so many great non-English movies to choose from and yet you still come up with this basic list (except for a few movies) is tragic. Being the Ricardos or Tick Tick…Boom instead of Drive My Car is not a good choice no matter how you try to justify it or what language those voters are speaking. Film should transcend everything including language barriers.
ReplyCopy URLThe point of your post…I don’t know When you have so many great non-English movies to choose from and yet you still come up with this basic list (except for a few movies) is tragic. Being the Ricardos or Tick Tick…Boom instead of Drive My Car is not a good choice no matter how you try to justify it or what language those voters are speaking. Film should transcend everything including language barriers.
That’s a really nice sentiment, but we are parochial creatures. Anyway, I agree the longlisted films are basic AF. But I have been reading plenty of commentary saying that non-English language inclusion is a diversity issue, not a quality issue. One example is the person who many pages back said something like “you realise films not in English are from where POC live?” which is so profoundly stupid and in any case, there is no requirement for BAFTA to be the ‘Films of the World’ awards.
The César Awards don’t include non-French language films. I don’t think it’s unreasonable or unrealistic for BAFTA members to preference English. Undoubtedly the quality is poorer – this is a mathematical truism. But it’s not some terrible ommission which needs to be remedied.
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The Great - Elle Fanning, Nicholas Hoult and comedy writing and directingSeverance in drama series, writing, Adam Scott for best actor, Ben Stiller for drama directing, and the whole cast in supporting.
I don’t think she’s anywhere close to a lock by any means but I do think the fact there are no other non English language performances in any of the acting category long-lists this year might have boosted Renate Reinsve’s chances with a jury immensely.
ReplyCopy URLFYC:
"The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")
y’all petite maman is getting a nom, i have no clue what it’ll be for but it WILL get a nom.
if i had to guess though, it’s either director or screenplay.
while we’re in the context of non-english films, here are my predictions for the category!
- drive my car
- flee
- the hand of god
- titane
- the worst person in the world
i don’t think petite maman is getting in this one, but i’m putting it as my alt nom right now, along with a hero.
ReplyCopy URLand in any case, there is no requirement for BAFTA to be the ‘Films of the World’ awards.
Nobody said otherwise, we’re just expressing disappointment. Your knee-jerk reaction to the sentiment is odd, though; the British Academy certainly doesn’t need you to defend their decisions lmao
If you want the BAFTA Film Awards to primarily reflect English-language cinema, just say that; you don’t need to hide behind some flimsy defense of imperial cinema industries and their preferences. You bring up the Césars, the Goyas, and their respective exclusionary rules, as if it isn’t widely known that English-language cinema dominates the global filmscape, and that their rules are in place to guard against further attention being awarded to the dominant cinemas. They are not comparable situations, and it is political (for good reason).
ReplyCopy URLNobody said otherwise, we’re just expressing disappointment. Your knee-jerk reaction to the sentiment is odd, though; the British Academy certainly doesn’t need you to defend their decisions lmao If you want the BAFTA Film Awards to primarily reflect English-language cinema, just say that; you don’t need to hide behind some flimsy defense of imperial cinema industries and their preferences.
How ridiculous and angry, I never said that was my preference in fact my favourite films are overwhelmingly not in English. I just said it was realistic for Britons and nothing to get one’s knickers in a knot about re racial and gender diversity.
You bring up the Césars, the Goyas, and their respective exclusionary rules, as if it isn’t widely known that English-language cinema dominates the global filmscape, and that their rules are in place to guard against further attention being awarded to the dominant cinemas. They are not comparable situations, and it is political (for good reason).
Bold, arrogant and imperialist of you to assume English language cinema “dominates” France. Incorrect of you to assume Hollywood dominates China, Nigeria, Egypt or India’s film landscape. I think perhaps your lens is the one which needs adjusting. Where I live in the Arabic speaking world, English language films are about half of what screens here and people have much more diverse taste than you expect from them. If you want to assume Hollywood supremacy because it’s your supremacy, that’s telling – and box office is but one metric, you must compare like with like.
The French certainly don’t need you to defend them as if they are some cultural minority needing “special rules in place to guard against further attention being awarded to the dominant cinemas”. Thank you for the Thursday laugh, this amused me.
ReplyCopy URLBill Hader and Barry in everything (2 babka)
The Great - Elle Fanning, Nicholas Hoult and comedy writing and directingSeverance in drama series, writing, Adam Scott for best actor, Ben Stiller for drama directing, and the whole cast in supporting.
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