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    I’m genuinely curious: why do you think Smith will be no. 2 and not Garfield?

    Oscar frontrunner.

    Lol I love the idea that an American doing Shakespeare should be BAFTA bait

    Shakespeare is the bait. The nationality of the performers is irrelevant.

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    Shakespeare is the bait. The nationality of the performers is irrelevant.

    Very possible I’m missing something obvious but have we seen any Shakespeare adaptations get major nominations this century?

    Also the nationality is very relevant as a lot of the British industry is very snobby when it comes to Shakespeare unfortunately. It’s only even within the last 5/10 years or so that speaking it in a regional British accent has become more common let alone an American one. I can see a lot of BAFTA members avoiding the idea of this version of Macbeth as much as there will still be many who rush to it.

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    Considering we were just talking about it, with regards to director here’s where I am right now in my predictions in that category.

    1. Kelly Reichardt, First Cow – The only contender that I feel has an undeniable amount of passion in this category. The talking point of this film has been Reichardt’s work as a writer-director on it and it’s perhaps a film that is exemplary of the type of high brow independent film that we saw the jury embrace last year.

    2. Ryusuke Hamaguchi, Drive My Car – A 3 hour independent film not in the English language, Asian director who hasn’t had much mainstream recognition and it has a quirky slow burn feel that I can see finding appeal with aa jury.

    3. Jane Campion, The Power of the Dog – I don’t want to put her too high because stranger snubs have happened but at the end of the day I do anticipate the jury will want to keep the balance of female and male directors being awarded in this category and I’m not sure how confident a jury would be in snubbing an Oscar frontrunner like this. The main reason she’s the Oscar frontrunner is because find The Power of the Dog to be a big directing achievement and whilst the film isn’t an independent film, it is a gritty auteur driven Western which feels like something that could stand out quite a bit with a jury in really every category.

    4. Aleem Khan, After Love – An independent directorial debut. The BIFA sweep for this film show that the passion for the film isn’t limited to its central performance.

    5. Joanna Hogg, The Souvenir : Part II – The film did well with the BIFAs and LFCC and Joanna Hogg feels like the overdue critical darling here. Another auteur driven passion project. That being said whilst its under-performance on the long-list could be levelled to a lack of visibility (which I’m not entirely if it is so much of the case considering it has the same distributor as After Love and had a big splashy screening at the London film festival) but I do wonder if it might be this year’s Saint Maud where it plays well with critics but less so with the industry. Is it perhaps telling that Hogg couldn’t win the BIFA?

    6. Audrey Diwan, Happening – I feel like this film is underrated in predictions because its hasn’t been seen yet but this film had enough passion going for it that it unanimously won the Golden Lion award at Venice (an award that has tended to be thrown to Oscar contenders as of late). Feels like it could be the “important” choice of the field.

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    7. Celine Sciamma, Petite Maman – Quite a short film which helps with accessibility and has done surprisingly well with critics awards. Helps that Sciamma seems to have a lot of goodwill on the back of Portrait of a Lady on Fire.

    8. Rebecca Hall, PassingPassing strikes me as a film that like The Power of the Dog, a jury will love just as much as the membership. It’s a black and white arthouse film with a socially relevant subject matter. That being said Rebecca Hall is quite a famous actor and I just wonder if a jury will think of Hall as much of an underdog here.

    9. Paolo Sorrentino, The Hand of God – One of the “showiest” pieces of direction in this race and it would be recognition of a director big on the European cinema scene. That being said it does feel like a film that has generated a bit of polarising response.

    10. Janicza Bravo, Zola – The direction perhaps isn’t the most memorable aspect of this film but Bravo did still get in at the spirits under a similar voting system and the film itself is quite “energetic” in tone which could help her jump ahead of some of other contenders in this category.

    11. Julia Ducournau, Titane – People seem to have really taken a shine to Ducournau’s work on this film but I’m not too confident in a body horror movie playing well with a jury.

    12. Paul Thomas Anderson, Licorice Pizza – PTA’s films have a certain “cool” and vibe that I can imagine a jury really finding appeal in (kind of a bit like how Sound of Metal did really well in the juried categories it was long-listed in last year). That being said it would be an understatement to say that this is a stacked field and PTA is not much of an under dog. Feels the likeliest out of all the big Oscar contenders after Campion and Hamaguchi when it comes to making it in though.

    13. Maggie Gyllenhaal, The Lost Daughter – She made it in at both the Gothams and Spirits and just like Passing it’s quite an acclaimed directorial debut. However also like Passing I’m not sure if a jury is going to react strongly to a Hollywood star trying to direct.

    14. Denis Villeneuve, Dune – The London film critics nominated both Villeneuve and the film so it definitely seems to be a film that is seen as prestigious enough (he probably would have been a nominations lock under the old system considering how BAFTA nominated him for Blade Runner 2049). However Dune is essentially a sci-fi blockbuster and after David Fincher missed last year, I don’t feel confident betting on a jury so easily jumping on a film this scale.

    15. Joel Coen, The Tragedy of Macbeth – The film’s been noted for using German expressionism to essentially turn Shakespeare into a noir film but I do feel somewhat surprised that Coen’s work on the film hasn’t really been cited or talked about as much as those of the actors in the film. It makes me wonder if some people may find it a bit too “stagey” like with The Father last year.

    16. Kenneth Branagh, Belfast – I don’t think the jury is going to be allergic to Belfast. I think Hinds gets in either way and I won’t be surprised if Caitriona Balfe or Judi Dench did get in with a jury (they did get in at the BIFAs after all and the film is technically a British indie). I do feel like its telling that Branagh has already missed at both the BIFAs and LFCC though and combined with his status in the industry, the only way I can really see him get in is if most of the people on this jury rank him on their ballots. And even then I don’t really see that happening considering that should have already happened at the BIFAs and didn’t.

    17. Steven Spielberg, West Side Story – Excellent direction but also the most expensive in this category along with Dune. The LFCC snub when West Side Story otherwise did really well signifies that the passion for his work on this film isn’t undeniable.

    18. Sian Heder, CODA – I think both the actors can do really well but Heder’s direction wasn’t even cited at the Spirits and I don’t know if a jury is going to see what is essentially a coming of age story as prestigious enough in a field like this.

    19-20. Reinaldo Marcus Green, King Richard and Adam McKay, Don’t Look Up – Should go without explaining.

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    "The Good Fight" and "The Other Two" in all categories.

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    I think After Love will be this year’s Rocks.

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    Very possible I’m missing something obvious but have we seen any Shakespeare adaptations get major nominations this century?

    Not that I’m aware of. But aside from the 2015 adaptation of Macbeth with Marion Cotillard and Michael Fassbender, I don’t think there have been many adaptations of Shakespeare that have been in the awards conversation. And that adaptation wasn’t as acclaimed as The Tragedy of Macbeth is.

    I don’t think it being Shakespeare automatically guarantees its BAFTA glory but I feel like it’s telling that The Tragedy of Macbeth received 8 long-list mentions (including in director where 6 of the slots are juried) in spite of being the only film long-listed that hadn’t technically been released yet (it just dropped on AppleTV+ today). With round 2 voting also having begun today I can see it really peaking at the right time.

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    but I do wonder if it might be this year’s Saint Maud where it plays well with critics but less so with the industry.

    I’m still bitter about that Morfydd Clark snub last year…

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    Very possible I’m missing something obvious but have we seen any Shakespeare adaptations get major nominations this century?

    Also the nationality is very relevant as a lot of the British industry is very snobby when it comes to Shakespeare unfortunately. It’s only even within the last 5/10 years or so that speaking it in a regional British accent has become more common let alone an American one. I can see a lot of BAFTA members avoiding the idea of this version of Macbeth as much as there will still be many who rush to it.

    It was longlisted 8 times, so that shows strong support. They could have rejected it outright if voters were being snobby about an American version of their precious Shakespeare. I don’t think nationality is the issue. Denzel specifically is another story, given his shameful BAFTA history to date.

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    Surely Kathryn Hunter’s performance as the witches has to go viral at some point. I think momentum will build.

    Best Supporting Actress - Kathryn Hunter, Ann Dowd, Martha Plimpton, Judi Dench, Ruth Negga
    Best Supporting Actor - Troy Katsur, Ciarán Hinds, Alex Hassell, Bertie Carvel
    Best Actress - Tessa Thompson
    The Tragedy of Macbeth in Directing, Production Design, Cinematography and thee Kathryn Hunter
    Mass in Original Screenplay

    The Great - Elle Fanning, Nicholas Hoult and comedy writing

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    It was longlisted 8 times, so that shows strong support. They could have rejected it outright if voters were being snobby about an American version of their precious Shakespeare. I don’t think nationality is the issue. Denzel specifically is another story, given his shameful BAFTA history to date.

    Plenty of things were longlisted 8 times. Also why does everything have to be such extremes? I think potential snobbery makes the idea of American Shakespeare being BAFTA “bait” incorrect but I never said that it couldn’t still do well. Just that Denzel doing it doesn’t give him any extra advantage like you were implying.

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    I don’t think it being Shakespeare automatically guarantees its BAFTA glory but I feel like it’s telling that The Tragedy of Macbeth received 8 long-list mentions (including in director where 6 of the slots are juried)

    Like I just said above, I was disagreeing with the idea of it being bait not with it potentially doing really well

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    Like I just said above, I was disagreeing with the idea of it being bait not with it potentially doing really well

    My bad! I just glanced through the conversation.

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    Plenty of things were longlisted 8 times. Also why does everything have to be such extremes? I think potential snobbery makes the idea of American Shakespeare being BAFTA “bait” incorrect but I never said that it couldn’t still do well. Just that Denzel doing it doesn’t give him any extra advantage like you were implying.

    And I think it does. This could have been longlisted 0X, but it wasn’t, so “snobbery” isn’t the concern. My main point was about Denzel. Regardless, it’s up for the jury to determine, not you or me. Arguing over it is pointless.

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    I was just wondering who do you guys think was the third jury save in supporting actress after Dowd and Robinson? Balfe, Blanchett, DeBose, Dench, Dunst, Negga and Streep are all clearly membership picks. King Richard, The Tragedy of Macbeth and West Side Story were all long-listed for best film and I doubt a jury ran to save Ana de Armas for a Bond movie or Anya Taylor-Joy for a psychological horror.

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    Plenty of things were longlisted 8 times. Also why does everything have to be such extremes? I think potential snobbery makes the idea of American Shakespeare being BAFTA “bait” incorrect but I never said that it couldn’t still do well. Just that Denzel doing it doesn’t give him any extra advantage like you were implying.

    I felt super cynical for that exact reason before I watched it, but was quickly relieved of that. Word of mouth will get around soon enough and once people see it, I think the snobbery will fly out the window, and it will assume “Brits+Shakespeare=bait” status.

    I was just wondering who do you guys think was the third jury save in supporting actress after Dowd and Robinson? Balfe, Blanchett, DeBose, Dench, Dunst, Negga and Streep are all clearly membership picks. King Richard, The Tragedy of Macbeth and West Side Story were all long-listed for best film and I doubt a jury ran to save Ana de Armas for a Bond movie or Anya Taylor-Joy for a psychological horror.

    I will always have to assume it’s always going to be a hometown pick, like Jessie Buckley or a diversity strenghtening pick from a smaller film, so Ruth Negga, who’s also hometown adjacent.

    Best Supporting Actress - Kathryn Hunter, Ann Dowd, Martha Plimpton, Judi Dench, Ruth Negga
    Best Supporting Actor - Troy Katsur, Ciarán Hinds, Alex Hassell, Bertie Carvel
    Best Actress - Tessa Thompson
    The Tragedy of Macbeth in Directing, Production Design, Cinematography and thee Kathryn Hunter
    Mass in Original Screenplay

    The Great - Elle Fanning, Nicholas Hoult and comedy writing

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    I was just wondering who do you guys think was the third jury save in supporting actress after Dowd and Robinson? Balfe, Blanchett, DeBose, Dench, Dunst, Negga and Streep are all clearly membership picks. King Richard, The Tragedy of Macbeth and West Side Story were all long-listed for best film and I doubt a jury ran to save Ana de Armas for a Bond movie or Anya Taylor-Joy for a psychological horror.

    Jessie Buckley?

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