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    People always talk about who is overdue for an Oscar and few years ago I found an interesting article where Samuel L. Jackson was quoted that nobody is overdue. The Academy doesnt owe anything to anybody. And I kinda agree. Being nominated is huge honor itself and being invited to celebrate best in cinema is huge honor. But Academy should not apologize to anybody for not being voted best(Honorary Oscar is kinda apology). After all, winning an Oscar is luck. I know that sadly overdue factor really exist.
    Whats your view on overdue factor? Should it exist? Which ,if any, actors, directors, writers etc are overdue in your opinion?

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    I hate the overdue narrative, Peter O’Toole and Alfred Hitchcock are the perfect example that the Academy doesn’t care if you’re a genius. The Academy is about the momentum, if the stars alienate you’ll win an Oscar definitely.

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    People always talk about who is overdue for an Oscar and few years ago I found an interesting article where Samuel L. Jackson was quoted that nobody is overdue. The Academy doesnt owe anything to anybody. And I kinda agree. Being nominated is huge honor itself and being invited to celebrate best in cinema is huge honor. But Academy should not apologize to anybody for not being voted best(Honorary Oscar is kinda apology). After all, winning an Oscar is luck. I know that sadly overdue factor really exist.
    Whats your view on overdue factor? Should it exist? Which ,if any, actors, directors, writers etc are overdue in your opinion?

    Shocking he says this but he also believes Martin Landau won because he was overdue which isn’t true for anyone who has seen Ed Wood.

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    I hate the overdue narrative, Peter O’Toole and Alfred Hitchcock are the perfect example that the Academy doesn’t care if you’re a genius. The Academy is about the momentum, if the stars alienate you’ll win an Oscar definitely.

    O’Toole was able to lose on his final nod because they had already given him an honorary. Where those were still presented on the broadcast with a formal presentation.

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    Shocking he says this but he also believes Martin Landau won because he was overdue which isn’t true for anyone who has seen Ed Wood.

    Samuel L. Jackson is a huuuuuge hypocrite.

    He says he does not care about the awards stuff, but at the same time he’s the first one willing to campaign and doing all the roundtables as soon as there’s the slightest chance for him to be in the conversation (like he did for The Hateful Eight). So I wouldn’t listen to his bullshit.

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    O’Toole was able to lose on his final nod because they had already given him an honorary. Where those were still presented on the broadcast with a formal presentation.

    I still can’t believe we live in a universe in which normal/mediocre actresses like Renee Zellweger and Hilary Swank won two competitive Oscars each, but an acting legend and one of the greatest actors of all time won only an honorary one.

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    It really does feel like a “stars aligning” scenario.

    In the case of Peter O’Toole, wasn’t he considered the frontrunner for THE LION IN WINTER before losing to Robertson’s erratic performance in CHARLY? I feel like he was basically robbed whereas Robertson had other things in his corner, like having Dina Merrill as a wife.

    I do think you could make a case that Martin Landau was overdue as his two previous losses were for masterful performances but even then, I still feel like he won for his best work in ED WOOD. It was the best combo. You could argue that same combo helped Maureen Stapleton and Geraldine Page.

    In the end, it really is true that the Oscars don’t fully matter in the grand scheme. Certain films and performances will stand the test of time and be remembered fondly…and I think such actors as O’Toole, Richard Burton, Deborah Kerr, and Thelma Ritter have a much more respected legacy than many actual winners.

    They don’t have an Oscar but lesser actors/performances do.

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    Would you say that certain actors are overdue? Like Glenn Close? To me nobody is overdue and I dont care if someone has gazillion nominations or not. I always look at an actual field of nominees.

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    Even if he hadn’t received the Honorary Oscar, I don’t think O’Toole (in “Venus”) would have won over Forest Whitaker (“Last King of Scotland”). It is too bad though O’Toole never won a competitive Oscar. I was glad Geraldine Page won for “The Trip to Bountiful”. Of course there was the overdue factor, but I think her performance was the best that year. I still hope Glenn Close wins one.

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    O’Toole was able to lose on his final nod because they had already given him an honorary. Where those were still presented on the broadcast with a formal presentation.

    Then why Henry Fonda was able to win a competitive Oscar after he won a honorary Oscar?

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    Would you say that certain actors are overdue? Like Glenn Close? To me nobody is overdue and I dont care if someone has gazillion nominations or not. I always look at an actual field of nominees.

    I don’t care about number of nominations either. I more so look at the actor’s body of work and whether it, as a whole, warrants some type of recognition. For example, Ronan has like 4 nominations, right? Some would say she’s overdue because she lost each of those nominations. But am I supposed to believe that Ronan, in her mid 20’s, is overdue for an Oscar when there’s actresses like Close or Pfeiffer who have decades worth of brilliant work and yet haven’t been recognized? Close is the rare example where she can legit be seen as overdue strictly because of the number of nominations she has and the fact that she was arguably win worthy for at least one of them.

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    Here’s where I stand on this:

    I don’t think a certain individual should win an Oscar just for the sake of having one. To me, what it all comes down to is the quality of the work, how deserving it would be of the recognition, and their competition. Though with that being said, if I notice someone has been nominated at least three times before, but hasn’t won yet, I kind of feel that they deserve to win at some point in their careers. Sometimes, I do ask myself “Do I really wanna see this person lose again?”. It’s always a now or never kind of thing.

    For example, the 2018 nominees for Best Actress had quite a stellar lineup of performances. While my personal favorite might be Yalitza Aparicio for Roma, I actually still would’ve voted for my runner-up, Glenn Close. Her character in The Wife went on such an emotional journey, and the performance was absolutely one of my very favorites from 2018. I thought she definitely would’ve been very deserving of the Oscar. While I’m not mad that Olivia Coleman ended up winning at all, I still felt really bad seeing Glenn Close become the biggest losing actress in Oscar history.

    Not to mention that when people started seeing (and talking about) 1917 this past year, I was among many people who started predicting Thomas Newman to finally win his very first Oscar on his 15th nomination. His score for that movie in my opinion was even more than good enough to back up that narrative. Though when Joker won the Golden Globe, I at first thought it was just a fluke because given how the Hollywood Foreign Press usually loves to spread the wealth, I figured they might’ve felt that since they were already giving 1917 Best Motion Picture-Drama and Best Director, that freed them up to go in a different direction for Best Original Score. While Newman has also never won a Globe either, he’s not as overdue there as he is at the Oscars. Yet, when Hildur Guðnadóttir repeated her victories at Critics’ Choice and BAFTA, that pretty much sealed the deal for her to become one of the very few female composers to win an Oscar for their orchestral scores. BAFTA especially was the final nail in the coffin for Thomas Newman’s chances not only because it was an industry award, but also because every time he’d been nominated there for a collaboration with Sam Mendes prior to 1917, he ended up winning.

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    There are other narratives and trends that help someone win an Oscar on a regular basis. And Oscars seldom go to the right work/performances anyway. At least with the overdue narrative, it tends to go to the right person.

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    I actually think some people are overdue for an Oscar, but it’s not based on the number of nominations. For example when you lose for The Godfather, Serpico, The Godfather part 2 and Dog day afternoon in a stretch of 4 years you’re certainly overdue for an Oscar (though his win is looked down at now, you can’t deny he was robbed from at least 2 to 3 times and the academy owed him one). Another case is Martin Scorsese losing for 2 of the most highly-acclaimed films (and wasn’t even nominated for Taxi driver). But someone like Bradley Cooper shouldn’t be considered overdue for an Oscar, since few people would argue he should have won for any of his 4 nominations in acting.

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