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    Spenser Davis
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    I’m pretty confident in saying that the winner on Oscar night will be Adam Driver or Joaquin Phoenix; anyone else is lucky to be there. Banderas, De Niro, DiCaprio, Pryce, Murphy, even Sandler… I’m sure that they’re all worthwhile performances. But this year, we have two young men (relatively speaking) at the top of their game, who have consistently done an incredible job of building resumes that include both artistic and commercial successes. I don’t think the Academy will want to miss the opportunity to give one of them the gold.

    Driver is apparently giving a career-best performance in MARRIAGE STORY. Fantastic. That’s great to hear and I cannot wait to see it. But the Phoenix narrative is almost too good to pass up. To begin with, JOKER is a populist smash in more ways than one, and he has repeatedly been recognized (along with the cinematography) as the best thing about the divisive film.

    Folks have cited its similarities to TAXI DRIVER, and how De Niro lost that Oscar, as proof that Phoenix will too. But let’s remember: the performance of Travis Bickle was up against another unbelievably iconic performance, Howard Beale in NETWORK, played by Peter Finch. Given the pyrotechnics that role displayed and the fact that Finch had just passed, the deck was stacked against De Niro. Here, Phoenix gets all the brooding of Bickle with a finale for the ages. Whether you like where he ends up or not, you certainly will struggle to forget it. The Academy also knows: Not everyone will like that JOKER becomes an Oscar-winning flick, but it’s surely stoke conversation.

    By all accounts I’ve heard so far, Driver is enormously grounded. Perhaps the voters will find it safe and refreshing, in addition to deserved. But I don’t know that, were I in their shoes, I’d be able to resist giving three-time nominee Joaquin Phoenix his due for a wholly unique turn on a role that has already won Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger trophies before.

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    Ew, this looks like a music thread. You really went full Close/Gaga here, and as we learned from our tempestuous history, you should not go full Close/Gaga. Please, let’s be sane.

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    Honey
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    De Niro isn’t getting bumped out before Leo lol. The Oscars don’t bother nominating Leo if he’s below 3rd besides his first nom and he was a critics/passion pick for that one.

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    Spenser Davis
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    Ew, this looks like a music thread. You really went full Close/Gaga here, and as we learned from our tempestuous history, you should not go full Close/Gaga. Please, let’s be sane.

    Mmmm, nope. This is not even close to the same scenario.

    I’ve been coming to these forums since before we transitioned to this “new” platform, and I’m pretty sure I have the hindsight and have brought up enough examples of why I felt the way I did. I’m not a JOKER fanboy by any stretch, but I don’t see a spoiler in what I see as a two-horse race.

    There is no Colman here, who many of us saw as the frontrunner anyway. Respond to something I said with more than “ew” and maybe we can have an actual conversation.

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    Mmmm, nope. This is not even close to the same scenario. I’ve been coming to these forums since before we transitioned to this “new” platform, and I’m pretty sure I have the hindsight and have brought up enough examples of why I felt the way I did. I’m not a JOKER fanboy by any stretch, but I don’t see a spoiler in what I see as a two-horse race. There is no Colman here, who many of us saw as the frontrunner anyway. Respond to something I said with more than “ew” and maybe we can have an actual conversation.

    Why would you think I even paid attention to your post? I am referring to the whole overall conversation that, yes, I’ve been following for months. If I want to say the focus has been lost so we can mostly refer to the performances, I will say it, “ew” and all.

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    Finally watched Pain & Glory. And WOW!!! What a movie!!! Definitely Almodovar best movie since Talk to Her. Such a private and emotional movie. Banderas was absolutely amazing. Unfortunately he’s not winning. His performance is way too subtle to win an Oscar. And i know Casey Affleck won for a subtle performance but he’s even more subdue than Casey. But he totally deserves a nomination. Penelope was so freaking amazing. Without a doubt her best performance in a movie in years. Her screentime wasn’t that much but she made the most with it and she was absolutely incredible. My favorite Supporting Actress performance so far. I would love for her to get a nod but unfortunately that’s not happening. The kid that portrayed the young Salvador was pretty fantastic as well. But can i give a huge shout out to Asier Etxeandia (the actor who portrayed Alberto)?! I haven’t seen many people talk about him and he was so so good!!! That monologue was out of this world!!! Such range and emotion!!! He’s someone, that just like Antonio and Penelope, deserves some awards recognition. The script and the direction were pretty amazing as well.  An overall powerful and intimate movie that completely touched my soul.

    Score: 8,5/10

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    FYC Emmys: Helena Bonham Carter (Drama Supporting Actress), Olivia Colman (Drama Actress), Jodie Comer and Sandra Oh (Drama Actress), Fiona Shaw (Drama Supporting Actress), Zendaya (Drama Actress), Alexis Bledel (Drama Guest Actress)

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    Driver’s role in BKK was not baity and he wasn’t even the runner up….

    I’d say the role was baity, just not showy. The concept of a Jewish officer infiltrating the KKK and having to alternate between his real persona and a fake persona knowing that any slip up could result in his death certainly sounds baity to me. I think it didn’t come across that way to some people because the role was written in a very subtle way, and was ultimately played like that. I feel like Driver and John David Washington’s performances were really under appreciated on these boards. I thought both of them were wonderful.
    Anyway, I’d say Driver was probably 4th place that year, behind Ali, Grant, and Elliot. It’s possible he could’ve come closer than Elliot, but I think his status as a highly respected veteran who finally got a chance to be in an Oscar vehicle brought him closer to the award, though Ali was likely way ahead of all the other contenders. I love his performance, but I can’t stand how blatant that fraud is, especially since he already has an Oscar, and he definitely would’ve gotten in lead if he campaigned that way (he would’ve taken out Dafoe).

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    As much as I root for Spike Lee, BKkK wouldn’t have been as compelling for me without Adam Driver.
    I don’t think he’s going to win this year but his time is coming. And soon.

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    Driver did well in his first nomination. No need to take that away from his work.

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    Why would you think I even paid attention to your post? I am referring to the whole overall conversation that, yes, I’ve been following for months. If I want to say the focus has been lost so we can mostly refer to the performances, I will say it, “ew” and all.

    I’d love to hear your thoughts, then. What actor whose last name isn’t Driver or Phoenix could win the Oscar this year and why?

    I’m actually trying to have a conversation here.

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    I’d love to hear your thoughts, then. What actor whose last name isn’t Driver or Phoenix could win the Oscar this year and why? I’m actually trying to have a conversation here.

    Banderas is said to have a great performance. Where I’m from those more restricted films are released in Dec-Jan, and I always watch my Almodovar fix at the theater. I am aware of the language barrier for a film, even Lead Actress had a more recent winner in a non-English speaking role (Jean D could be considered an exception)
    De Niro is facing accusations, so I don’t even think he will voted at the top.

    Pryce seems like a possibility, but I definitely need to watch that film before assessing if people would vote in 2020 for a religious leader character, from the Catholic Church out of all churches.

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    Thatcher, Prime Minister of GoldDerby
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    Finally watched Pain & Glory. And WOW!!! What a movie!!! Definitely Almodovar best movie since Talk to Her. Such a private and emotional movie. Banderas was absolutely amazing. Unfortunately he’s not winning. His performance is way too subtle to win an Oscar. And i know Casey Affleck won for a subtle performance but he’s even more subdue than Casey. But he totally deserves a nomination. Penelope was so freaking amazing. Without a doubt her best performance in a movie in years. Her screentime wasn’t that much but she made the most with it and she was absolutely incredible. My favorite Supporting Actress performance so far. I would love for her to get a nod but unfortunately that’s not happening. The kid that portrayed the young Salvador was pretty fantastic as well. But can i give a huge shout out to Asier Etxeandia (the actor who portrayed Alberto)?! I haven’t seen many people talk about him and he was so so good!!! That monologue was out of this world!!! Such range and emotion!!! He’s someone, that just like Antonio and Penelope, deserves some awards recognition. The script and the direction were pretty amazing as well. An overall powerful and intimate movie that completely touched my soul. Score: 8,5/10

    Darling, you’re truly a wonder to read. Finally someone with some taste.

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    Drama Globe- Driver

    Comedy Globe- Murphy

    Critics Choice- Driver

    Comedy Critics Choice- Murphy

    SAG- Phoenix

    BAFTA- Phoenix

    Oscar- Phoenix

    FYC 2020 EMMYS

    COMEDY- SCHITTS CREEK in all categories, Maya Rudolph, Eddie Murphy

    DRAMA- Sandra Oh & Fiona Shaw, Cicely Tyson

    LIMITED- UNBELIEVABLE, Normal People in writing & directing, Toni Collette, Tituss Burgess

    *How the hell were Merritt Wever and Rose Byrne snubbed

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    Drama Globe- Driver Comedy Globe- Murphy Critics Choice- Driver Comedy Critics Choice- Murphy SAG- Phoenix BAFTA- Phoenix Oscar- Phoenix

    It’s unlikely that the Oscar winner loses the Globe. It’s obviously not an unbreakable rule (and happened quite a few times in the 00’s) but it hasn’t happened once in the leading categories this decade. Only happened to Ali and Nyong’o in supporting

    Whoever wins Drama Globe will most likely win the Oscar too

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    It’s unlikely that the Oscar winner loses the Globe. It’s obviously not an unbreakable rule (and happened quite a few times in the 00’s) but it hasn’t happened once in the leading categories this decade. Only happened to Ali and Nyong’o in supporting Whoever wins Drama Globe will most likely win the Oscar too

    Rylance and Vikander lost the globes as well.

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