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  • Jill
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    Paramount marketed Rocketman so poorly. They buried it in May and then refused to campaign it. If they had released it in the fall instead of the massive flops that were Terminator Dark Fate and Gemini Man, it could have made more than $200 Million, instead of losing $200 Million in the span of a month, and they would have gotten way more Oscar nominations and wins. Whoever marketed this film should be fired.

    I don’t think it would have made any difference when it was released. Rocketman made the amount of money it would have been projected to make if Bohemian Rhapsody hadn’t made a billion dollars. Bohemian Rhapsody was only projected to make about $200 million before it opened. It massively over performed, while Rocketman did what was originally expected for this kind of film. And that’s even though its competition (Godzilla, Dark Phoenix) underperformed.

    I do think Rocketman’s marketing team missed the boat when they positioned Taron as being better than Malek because Taron actually sang. As if people going to Bohemian Rhapsody were upset that Freddie Mercury’s vocals were used. They weren’t upset–they were delighted. And Malek did an amazing job selling Mercury’s body language so the vocals and his physicality were seamless.

    Taron, by contrast, did a mediocre job singing Elton John songs. I don’t think the audience walked out thinking, “OMG–I have got GOT to get that soundtrack the moment it’s released! Taron made those songs his own!” In fact, the soundtrack didn’t sell particularly well at all–it peaked at #50. The Grammy nomination was just peculiar.

    The marketing team would have been better served to highlight Taron’s nuanced portrayal of Elton than taking swipes at Bohemian Rhapsody for using Freddie’s voice. Because in no one’s universe can anyone imagine Taron being able to sing Queen’s catalogue. It’s no shade on Rami that he didn’t sing, considering who he was playing.

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    John Berchmans
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    I do think Rocketman’s marketing team missed the boat when they positioned Taron as being better than Malek because Taron actually sang. As if people going to Bohemian Rhapsody were upset that Freddie Mercury’s vocals were used. They weren’t upset–they were delighted. And Malek did an amazing job selling Mercury’s body language so the vocals and his physicality were seamless. Taron, by contrast, did a mediocre job singing Elton John songs. I don’t think the audience walked out thinking, “OMG–I have got GOT to get that soundtrack the moment it’s released! Taron made those songs his own!” In fact, the soundtrack didn’t sell particularly well at all–it peaked at #50. The Grammy nomination was just peculiar. The marketing team would have been better served to highlight Taron’s nuanced portrayal of Elton than taking swipes at Bohemian Rhapsody for using Freddie’s voice. Because in no one’s universe can anyone imagine Taron being able to sing Queen’s catalogue. It’s no shade on Rami that he didn’t sing, considering who he was playing.

    I 100% agree with this. No offence to Elton John, but it’s way easier to do an impression of his voice than Freddie Mercury’s. Freddie’s voice is one in a million and pretty much no one can replicate it perfectly. Hell, when Pentatonix did their cover of Bohemian Rhaposdy it took all 5 of them to match Freddie’s vocal range. Malek gets way too much flak from stooges on this forum and elsewhere for not replicating a perfect singing voice, and all of those people just conviently ignore the fact that his lip-syncing being able to perfectly match the words of each of the songs (not to mention him capturing even the slightest of Malek’s mannerisms perfectly) is way more impressive than Egerton’s singing.

    Did Malek have the best male lead performance of 2018? I don’t think so. But he gets way more hate than he deserves. (Cue Thatcher’s attempt to prove me wrong with a 3 sentence rebuttal).

    For Your Consideration

    Best Picture: Parasite
    Best Director: Bong-Joon Ho,
    Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix
    Best Actress: Scarlett Johansson
    Supporting Actor: Al Pacino
    Supporting Actress: Florence Pugh
    Adapted Screenplay: Jojo Rabbit
    Original Screenplay: Parasite

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    I 100% agree with this. No offence to Elton John, but it’s way easier to do an impression of his voice than Freddie Mercury’s. Freddie’s voice is one in a million and pretty much no one can replicate it perfectly. Hell, when Pentatonix did their cover of Bohemian Rhaposdy it took all 5 of them to match Freddie’s vocal range. Malek gets way too much flak from stooges on this forum and elsewhere for not replicating a perfect singing voice, and all of those people just conviently ignore the fact that his lip-syncing being able to perfectly match the words of each of the songs (not to mention him capturing even the slightest of Malek’s mannerisms perfectly) is way more impressive than Egerton’s singing. Did Malek have the best male lead performance of 2018? I don’t think so. But he gets way more hate than he deserves. (Cue Thatcher’s attempt to prove me wrong with a 3 sentence rebuttal).

    First off, I agree that Malek gets too much hate. I wouldn’t have given him a win, but I still thought he was very good, and he managed to elevate a generic and poorly written biopic.

    But I’d just like to say that Egerton wasn’t doing an imitation of Elton’s voice. Elton specifically told him to not copy him, but to make the version seen in the film his own. I think this ties into why I prefer Taron over Rami. Rami’s work was impressive, but it seemed like the writers were much more interested in the legend of Freddie Mercury rather than the man. The film isn’t without its personal moments, but it feels like it’s way more interested in the spectacle, which held his performance down. Rocketman doesn’t take this same approach, instead it feels like a much more personal journey, which I thought Egerton played beautifully.

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    Jill
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    For me, I had the opposite reaction to the two films. Bohemian Rhapsody made me cry, and at every screening I attended, so did several other people. In large numbers, people had very emotional reactions to the film.

    On the other hand, I enjoyed Rocketman, but mostly because I went with the musical structure of it. I wasn’t drawn in emotionally and certainly never felt any tears hovering. And that’s even though I think Taron did a fine job. The narrative felt like there was a deliberate distance between the audience and the characters. I’m not sure the staging of the songs paid off in the end.

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    Teresa Chavez
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    Malek impersonated Mercury, there is a difference and that’s why he was undeserving.

    • Theron played Aileen Wuornos
    • Bale played Dick Cheney
    • Theron impersonated Megyn Kelly
    • Kidman played Gretchen Carlson
    • Penn played Harvey Milk
    • Baldwin impersonated Donal Trump.

    Now Rami did a really good impersonation, but it was hardly seen as acting that’s why he gets too much (hate).

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    the thing is, malek’s lip syncing was bad, like if I see him at a drag bar I won’t even throw a dollar out of politeness bad, egerton’s singing wasn’t the most impressive thing, but it was my favorite thing about his overly hammy performance

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    Jill
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    the thing is, malek’s lip syncing was bad, like if I see him at a drag bar I won’t even throw a dollar out of politeness bad, egerton’s singing wasn’t the most impressive thing, but it was my favorite thing about his overly hammy performance

    Rami was actually singing every song – he took lessons for a year to be able to handle the demanding songs. The sound producers then removed his vocals and replaced them with Freddie’s. So I’m not sure what you mean by his lip syncing was bad? I didn’t see a single review saying the voice track didn’t sync up with the mouth movements. Or do you mean you just didn’t enjoy how he performed the songs?

    I think sometimes there’s a bit of a lack of appreciation into what went into using Freddie’s vocals. Queen gave the film sound folks access to their complete archives, and the producers found they had 99% of what they needed with Freddie singing, from completed tracks to vocal stems.

    They then had Rami and Marc Martell each record every song. The producers were then able to take each of the three vocal tracks and play them over the sound system at the O2 just before a Queen plus Adam Lambert concert, so they had a similar authentic ambience (they used 6 mikes to record the tracks from different locations in the hall).

    They used Marc’s vocals when there simply wasn’t one of Freddie’s available (the birthday song, working out of Love of my Life scene). Rami’s vocals were used when he held a note on stage just a bit longer than Freddie had. That split second was filled in with Rami’s voice. The fact that all that came together seamlessly and the concert scenes felt authentic and alive is why Bohemian Rhapsody got the sound editing award.

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    Can we leave Rami Malek and his tragic victory in the 2010s?

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    BICTH
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    what was I thinking trying to explain good lip syncing to straight fanboys anyway, just let that tragic win rest in the past

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    Jill
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    whether he sang or not, the footage we end up seeing does not convey synchronization between his movement and most of the vocals we hear, just because his mouth is making all the right moves doesn’t mean it’s convincing, and the fact that rami did sing probably made it worse because he won’t be performing with the same level of ease that freddie’s vocals suggest. whatever hardship they endured making the voice sound right doesn’t make the end product any more convincing than it is

    In the end, it’s always a personal thing on what we enjoy. (-: I didn’t feel any dissonance between Rami’s performance and the vocals. Even critics who hated the movie didn’t diss the final Live Aid concert scene. I thought one critic summed up the difference well between Rocketman and Bohemian Rhapsody. The Forbes critic, who wasn’t a huge fan of BH, still admitted the film was a great cinematic experience, while Rocketman . . . wasn’t. I think Rocketman was trying to be too many things at once, and didn’t execute on anything quite well enough.

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    John Berchmans
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    what was I thinking trying to explain good lip syncing to straight fanboys anyway, just let that tragic win rest in the past

    The post above actually had a long, in-depth explanation as to why Rami Malek’s lip syncing was super well done and earned the film it’s Sound Oscars. You just said it was bad; there was no explaining.

    I’m not a Malek fanboy by any means. I think there were way better performances last year that weren’t just great imitations that should have been nominated, like John David Washington, Ethan Hawke, and Josh Brolin (though I guess his should’ve been the mo-cap category the Oscars somehow still don’t have). But Malek’s performance was the best in his category, that I saw (I will admit I didn’t see At Eternity’s Gate, but who did?). So his win wasn’t “tragic” like so may of you say.

    For Your Consideration

    Best Picture: Parasite
    Best Director: Bong-Joon Ho,
    Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix
    Best Actress: Scarlett Johansson
    Supporting Actor: Al Pacino
    Supporting Actress: Florence Pugh
    Adapted Screenplay: Jojo Rabbit
    Original Screenplay: Parasite

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    The post above actually had a long, in-depth explanation as to why Rami Malek’s lip syncing was super well done and earned the film it’s Sound Oscars. You just said it was bad; there was no explaining.

    re. the paragraph they quoted that I had deleted because I do not wish to be lured into more conversations about that performance

    I will admit I didn’t see At Eternity’s Gate, but who did?

    well he was by far the best in that category, your loss

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    John Berchmans
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    well he was by far the best in that category, your loss

    I just can’t muster the energy to see a film I’m not interested in solely because of one great performance. Same reason I’ve skipped Judy this season. Maybe I’ll watch clips online or something.

    For Your Consideration

    Best Picture: Parasite
    Best Director: Bong-Joon Ho,
    Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix
    Best Actress: Scarlett Johansson
    Supporting Actor: Al Pacino
    Supporting Actress: Florence Pugh
    Adapted Screenplay: Jojo Rabbit
    Original Screenplay: Parasite

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    It almost feels like the lack of nominations for RocketMan was a reaction to the inappropriate amount of attention the Academy heaped on Bohemian Rhapsody. Does anyone else think that if RM had come out last year and BR came out this year the level of accolades each received might have evened out a bit? Personally, I felt like even though RM still fell prey to the tropes of the musical biopic, it also displayed the creativity that was sorely lacking in BR. I came out of the theater scratching my head over how such an experimental band as Queen could end up with such a boring movie visually. RM gave me what I was looking for on that count (and its lead did the actual singing).

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    It almost feels like the lack of nominations for RocketMan was a reaction to the inappropriate amount of attention the Academy heaped on Bohemian Rhapsody. Does anyone else think that if RM had come out last year and BR came out this year the level of accolades each received might have evened out a bit? Personally, I felt like even though RM still fell prey to the tropes of the musical biopic, it also displayed the creativity that was sorely lacking in BR. I came out of the theater scratching my head over how such an experimental band as Queen could end up with such a boring movie visually. RM gave me what I was looking for on that count (and its lead did the actual singing).

    I’m gonna guess Rocketman wouldn’t have done a whole lot better, but Egerton definitely would’ve replaced Dafoe in the nominations, and they might gotten in at a few spots. However, Elton and Bernie wouldn’t have won against Gaga.

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