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  • Thatcher, Former Prime Minister of GoldDerby
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    she stopped jessica from winning. That means something

    Darling, that performance was a Carrie Mathison wannabe. Claire Danes is MILES BETTER in Homeland than the False Feminist will ever be in anything.

    I was your Prime Minister once.

    Joe Burns
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    Christie is either 6 or 7 years older then Glenn is now as she is 77 or 78 currently and Glenn is still 71. Christie doesn”t work that much anymore and she didn”t get a bunch of attention for her film work in the years between AfterGlow and Away From Her.Riva was extremely old and I”d be highly surprised if she gets nominated again.

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    Jessica Tandy was 80 when she won for Driving Miss Daisy, and Emmanuelle Riva was 85. Glenn, if she remains healthy, has at least two more good performances in her. This lost for The Wife can be her The Wolf of Wall Street / The Hurricane, the nomination that puts her back in the conversation.

    And Glenn is going to continue acting for the work, not for awards. They are after all, a bonus.

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    Glenn Close needs to get an independent film director and screenwriter and company to finance a movie adaptation of an award-winning play that has a central role for an elderly lady. That should be a bit easier than waiting for a studio to finance an expensive production of a musical nobody really wants and that will only make people complain she’s no Gloria Swanson. She needs a play that has a role for her that’s meaty. The theatre is much nicer to older women and even then there still aren’t THAT many plays for those over 65. I think she should think about adapting Edward Albee’s Three Tall Women and get Laurie Metcalf to co-star since she just won a Tony Award for playing “B” opposite Glenda Jackson, and a hot young thing rising starlet in her 20s to play the character of “C”. I would love to see Glenda Jackson do this role in the film version BUT I’d sacrifice that to see Glenn Close play a 90 year-old in this meaty role if it gives her another chance at the Oscar. Jackson already has two.

    I mean what did Tandy and Page have in common? They won their Oscars in a movie adaptation of an award-winning play because playwrights would actually write great roles for older women.

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    BigJay2012
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    Jessica Tandy was 80 when she won for Driving Miss Daisy, and Emmanuelle Riva was 85. Glenn, if she remains healthy, has at least two more good performances in her. This lost for The Wife can be her The Wolf of Wall Street / The Hurricane, the nomination that puts her back in the conversation.

    And Glenn is going to continue acting for the work, not for awards. They are after all, a bonus.

    She doesnt even seem 72. 72 isnt even “72” anymore

    wattsgold
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    I like the optimism, but Glenn Close will not be a Best Actress winner. If they had wanted to see her up there after 7 nominations, they would have voted. It’s as simple as that.

    Why would she want to go over all that shit and tedious campaigning again? What’s the point? The right moment was Sunday and it didn’t happen. Her reaction at that moment is all we need to know.

    But hey, Rami Malek has an Oscar on a first nomination and Mahershala Ali has 2 in two nominations.

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    Glenn Close needs to get an independent film director and screenwriter and company to finance a movie adaptation of an award-winning play that has a central role for an elderly lady. That should be a bit easier than waiting for a studio to finance an expensive production of a musical nobody really wants and that will only make people complain she’s no Gloria Swanson. She needs a play that has a role for her that’s meaty. The theatre is much nicer to older women and even then there still aren’t THAT many plays for those over 65. I think she should think about adapting Edward Albee’s Three Tall Women and get Laurie Metcalf to co-star since she just won a Tony Award for playing “B” opposite Glenda Jackson, and a hot young thing rising starlet in her 20s to play the character of “C”. I would love to see Glenda Jackson do this role in the film version BUT I’d sacrifice that to see Glenn Close play a 90 year-old in this meaty role if it gives her another chance at the Oscar. Jackson already has two.

    I mean what did Tandy and Page have in common? They won their Oscars in a movie adaptation of an award-winning play because playwrights would actually write great roles for older women.

    This.

    She needs a play adaption ans get Stephen Daldry (who directing 2 Best Actress winners) or someone to direct it. simple.

    Glenn can still win

    MarinaBelo2
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    I like the optimism, but Glenn Close will not be a Best Actress winner. If they had wanted to see her up there after 7 nominations, they would have voted. It’s as simple as that.

    This is the point many people are refusing to see. This was the moment if they wanted/didn’t have anything against her with an Oscar.

    If Gaga had won, we could say “She won thanks to all the media hype”, because shit like that happens. It would be disrespectful, but it would be about Gaga being forced down everyone’s throats, not exactly an anti-Close conspiracy. But someone like Colman(british, arguably supporting, unknown outside of UK, first time nominee and 40+ years old) wouldn’t have won against Winslet or Moore, so it’s obvious they deliberately denied Close an award because they dislike her or simply don’t care.

    SHT L
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    I don’t even care anymore because now I’m excited about the fantasy idea that will never happen of Glenn Close doing a film version of the Kander/Ebb musical adaptation of the dark play The Visit where she’d play an old wealthy lady going back to her poor village and offering the town her money to bring them out of poverty on the condition that they put her old fiance who jilted her to death. Some of those musical numbers are delicious with singing and dancing. Chita Rivera did it on Broadway (8 shows a week!) at the age of 80. I’d love to see Close do something like that. That production was deliciously dark and strange and amazing.

    jez89
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    I like the optimism, but Glenn Close will not be a Best Actress winner. If they had wanted to see her up there after 7 nominations, they would have voted. It’s as simple as that. Why would she want to go over all that shit and tedious campaigning again? What’s the point? The right moment was Sunday and it didn’t happen. Her reaction at that moment is all we need to know. But hey, Rami Malek has an Oscar on a first nomination and Mahershala Ali has 2 in two nominations.

    I totally agree with this. Close is never winning now. It was this year or never. I still can’t believe she didn’t win, it seemed like such a sure thing.

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    OMEG! I am rewatching Hot Fuzz and Oli is in there making sexual jokes in every scene. This is pure gold. Could not remember she was in that one!

    Such a perfect movie sister to The Favourite lol

    SHT L
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    A post in the Glenn Close-related thread made me realize, discounting Streep’s two previous wins (where Sophie’s Choice just could not be denied), after her win in 1982, the Academy didn’t want to give Streep an Oscar either. She had to wait 29 years, 12 straight losses, and a lot of build up and pressure to the Academy to finally win one in the “modern” era for The Iron Lady. Yes, I know it’s much harder to win your third Oscar than it is for your first, but it may not be. Let’s pretend Streep never won for Sophie’s Choice or even Kramer v. Kramer but some how still had the career she had afterwards. I wonder if the Academy would have continued to pass her over because it seemed the years she lost another actress just had a bigger narrative and a better vehicle (with more Oscar support) to win.

    1983 had Shirley Maclaine being more overdue and in a Best Pic winner.

    1985 she was in a Best Pic winner but that year had Geraldine Page on her 8th nomination and she was getting older.

    1987 she would have had the narrative but I don’t think Ironweed would have been the movie to overtake Cher’s narrative, her hit album that year, the anger people had over her snub for Mask, and Cher being in a Best Pic nominee. They loved Moonstruck.

    1988 A Cry in the Dark could have been her chance though. And I think she would have had the overdue narrative she did not have in real life. But would Jodie Foster be denied? She’d also be competing against Glenn Close in Dangerous Liasons so it’s not like she was only facing one strong competitor.

    1990 I don’t see Postcards from the Edge doing it for her, not against Kathy Bates in Misery. Bates’ win reminds me a lot of Colman’s win this year actually, except Colman had way more critics groups giving her awards than Bates did where the critics seemed to mainly go for Anjelica Huston that year if I recall correctly.

    1995 Maybe an overdue factor would make Streep win as Sarandon really had the overdue factor in her favor. However, I think Dead Man Walking was the material that would have put Sarandon ahead of Streep.

    1998 I really do not believe One True Thing would have done it. Paltrow was in a Best Pic winner and had Harvey working his magic. Plus Cate Blanchet and even Fernanda Montenegro would have probably taken more votes than Streep did, overdue or not.

    1999 I also don’t think Music of the Heart would have beaten Annette Bening much less Hillary Swank’s once-in-a-lifetime sort of performance.

    2002 Adaptation…not sure. CJZ was in a Best Pic winner and she dance and sang the best in her film (arguably).

    2006 Devil Wears Prada would have lost to respected British actress Helen Mirren playing The Queen of England in a Best Pic nominee. We all know the Academy has major Brit bias, especially in the Best Actress category.

    2008 Doubt This one could have done it for her. Kate Winslet was really banking on her overdue narrative. Doubt had tons of support across the branches looking at its nominations haul, but it missed Best Picture, which The Reader got. So who knows. Even if Streep pulled off a win here, that’s 10 previous losses.

    2009 Julie and Julia I would have voted for her here, but say she lost for Doubt…it’d be the same case with Kate Winslet, except substitute Sandra Bullock getting a thank you for making us tons of money over the years and being a Hollywood sweetheart award. Plus Bullock was in a Best Pic nominee (horrible movie to get nominated for Best Pic).

    2011 The Iron Lady. This would have done it. I think she would NOT have been denied here since she was able to win with two previous wins in “real life”. She was playing a larger than life role, got some major critical support (New York Film Critics Circle though they also gave her BA for Julie and Julia), and everything would have worked out in its favor. The only way I see this year going differently is that I could see Streep winning SAG here unless her winning for Doubt would make them not want to award her again despite an Oscar loss for it.

    So if 2011 would have been her first win in this alternate dimension, that’s 12 losses over a span of 29 years preceding it. Makes Close’s record not look so bad.

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    Christie is either 6 or 7 years older then Glenn is now as she is 77 or 78 currently and Glenn is still 71. Christie doesn”t work that much anymore and she didn”t get a bunch of attention for her film work in the years between AfterGlow and Away From Her.Riva was extremely old and I”d be highly surprised if she gets nominated again.

    I can guarantee you that Emmanuelle Riva will not be nominated again. She passed away just over a year ago (around the same time as John Hurt).

    kellis
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    I can guarantee you that Emmanuelle Riva will not be nominated again. She passed away just over a year ago (around the same time as John Hurt).

    I was honestly waiting for someone to point that out in response and am surprised it took this long.

    “No user starts this shady” - someone culturally relevant.

    Dana S.
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    I don’t even care anymore because now I’m excited about the fantasy idea that will never happen of Glenn Close doing a film version of the Kander/Ebb musical adaptation of the dark play The Visit where she’d play an old wealthy lady going back to her poor village and offering the town her money to bring them out of poverty on the condition that they put her old fiance who jilted her to death. Some of those musical numbers are delicious with singing and dancing. Chita Rivera did it on Broadway (8 shows a week!) at the age of 80. I’d love to see Close do something like that. That production was deliciously dark and strange and amazing.

    If Glenn Close can’t win Oscar because male members of Academy don’t like her male-threatening roles, I doubt this kind of role will please them.

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