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  • Joe Burns
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    You’re overthinking the winners in this category. Olders performers (like in the other categories) are favored here over their younger alternatives (in case both are front-runners) because winners are decided by peers and since actors tend to be very loyal to their idols, if they have a chance to recognize them or pay respect to them, they’ll do it. If they want to reward a living legend they’ll do it too. I mean, Betty White got two COMPETITIVE awards AFTER she was given a lifetime archievement award. I don’t recall a single awards ceremony doing this at all (I think the closest situation to a case like this, happened when Agnès Varda received an honorary Oscar and got buzz for “Visages villages”, but it was within the same year and even in the end she still lost for that documentary). Also, since they’re such a new awards ceremony, they tend to spread the wealth a lot (at least in the film categories). I think only McDormand and Day-Lewis have more than one award.

    But then why didn’t Lange and Streep take SAG?

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    But then why didn’t Lange and Streep take SAG?

    Lange, IDK.

    Streep, most likely because she won the SAG 3 years before for Doubt and she still lost the Oscar to Kate Winslet, so they probably thought that she would lose the Oscar once again. Besides, SAG loves Viola Davis and she was a strong contender in a better/more popular movie, so they supported her.

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    I don’t think screeners were sent out much in the early days of SAG. I think as recently as 15 years ago only the nominating committee got a ton of films. The general membership only got the five ensemble nominees. This was the days of VHS and no streaming or even dvds so mass mailings of films was much less of a thing.

    Films like Nell and American Beauty did well because people actually went to the theaters to see them.

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    Joe Burns
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    What did you think of Swank’s performance in Boys Don’t Cry?

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    Swank won her 2nd for two reasons. One her field was formidable. When voters have too many win worthy options they go for familiar (see McDormand’s 2nd). Two they wanted to see Bening cry (which she does).

    Kathy Bates for Best Supporting Actress (Richard Jewell)

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    It’s interesting to think about how predictions would’ve looked if Close had won an Oscar in the 80s. I think she still would’ve won SAG this year (mirroring when Julie Christie won when she already had an Oscar but no SAG award in film), but despite this more people would’ve predicted Colman having learned from the Christie/Cotillard race (and Colman had the added advantage of being in a Best Picture nominee).

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    Because contrary to popular belief SAG isn’t just actors. It’s also a lot of DJs and radio hosts. So it can’t be that accurate anymore.

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    Joe Burns
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    Um no- Close lost the Oscar. Accept it.There is no proof whatsoever that the Board Of Governors chooses the Oscar winners. You can feel that Glenn was robbed and state this as one of the biggest Oscar robberies ever all you like but these conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

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    I don’t know why people are trying to find a hidden agenda behind SAG (and OSCAR) choosing somebody. It’s a voting body of approximately 120k people ffs! If more people in the actors’ guild choose someone, they will win and you cannot stereotype all 120k people’s mindsets to one single one. The same thing can be said about the OSCAR, that’s why upsets have happened!

    And to someone discrediting the SAG: it’s still an honor some actors would much prefer to the OSCAR because it’s the actors, the people working in the same profession choosing you. Even Frances McDormand was outspoken about that. And personally I think SAG has been more correct than the other precursors. They always choose either the eventual Oscar winner, the closest runner-up or still someone with a DECENT performance!

    The OSCAR has people from all across the boards voting, including the sound editers, the producers and the cinematographers. The Favorite got 10 nominations, and it’s probably the people in other branches that voted for Olivia and screwed Glenn. This is something I truly despise about the OSCAR, because for example, what the hell do actors know about sound editing and screenplays??! In the end, the favorite lost everything it deserved to win, but redeemed itself with Olivia Colman, BUT, at the cost of Glenn Close!

    I’d say that most of the guilds, not just the SAG, have usually got it more accurate than the OSCAR. But this year, the guilds proved to be TRULY accurate, and the Oscar screwed up BIG time!

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    And to someone discrediting the SAG: it’s still an honor some actors would much prefer to the OSCAR because it’s the actors, the people working in the same profession choosing you.

    Absolutely no one thinks that.

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    Absolutely no one thinks that.

    I think “some people” think that!

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    The SAG is still part of the sheep mentality and Oscar often rubber stamps the winners from there even if BAFTA disagrees with them. It’s a pretty big and often crucial stepping stone to winning an Oscar although not insurmountable.

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    The SAG is still part of the sheep mentality and Oscar often rubber stamps the winners from there even if BAFTA disagrees with them. It’s a pretty big and often crucial stepping stone to winning an Oscar although not insurmountable.

    If anything is to blame for the sheep mentality, it has to be the Golden Globe lol. It turned the table completely this year!

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    Because contrary to popular belief SAG isn’t just actors. It’s also a lot of DJs and radio hosts. So it can’t be that accurate anymore.

    It’s had a pretty good track record of predicting the Oscars ever since AFTRA joined though which was in March of 2012- Day-Lewis, Lawrence, and Hathaway took home the Oscar as well and Waltz was snubbed there due to Django coming out too late in the season. 2013 and 2014 saw a complete matchup with SAG’s and the Oscar’s acting winners while in 2015 and 2016 it went 3/4 both years and then 2017 was another complete matchup. This year was not with just 2/4 but it’s not like SAG hasn’t done that badly(or even worse) matching the Oscar winners when it was just actors voting. In 2001 and 2002 only one SAG winner went on to win the Oscar(Berry in Best Actress and Zeta-Jones in Best Supporting Actress) while in 1995,1998,2000, and 2007 only 2 SAG winners went on to win the Oscar. So I don’t think AFTRA can be entirely blamed for the winners at SAG not matching several times over the last 6 years.

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