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Best Animated Feature: Should I pick Zootopia or Kubo?

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  • GMonty777
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    Before you say Zootopia, remember something here:

    (1) Kubo has two Oscar nominations. Zootopia has one. When was the last time a Best Animated Feature won without scoring the most Oscar nominations for its category?

    (2) The BAFTA has been the most accurate predictor of the Best Animated Feature category.

    2006 – Happy Feet (Matched)
    2007 – Ratatouille (Matched)
    2008 – Wall-E (Matched)
    2009 – Up (Matched)
    2010 – Toy Story 3 (Matched)
    2011 – Rango (Matched)
    2012 – Brave (Matched)
    2013 – Frozen (Matched)
    2014 – The LEGO Movie (Oscar went to Big Hero 6)
    2015 – Inside Out (Matched)

    In 10 seasons, the BAFTA and Oscar have matched 9/10 times. The only failure was 2014, and TLM wasn’t even nominated.

    Now lets compare it to other big ceremonies:

    Golden Globes – 7/10 (Cars, Tin Tin, and How to Train Your Dragon 2)
    Annie – 5/10 (HTTYD 2, Wreck-It Ralph, HTTYD, Kung Fu Panda, and Cars)
    Producer’s Guild – 6/10 (Cars, TLM, WIR, and Tin TiN)
    Critics Choice – 7/10 (Cars, WIR, and TLM)

    The BAFTAs are far more accurate. In 2006, Cars won the Critics Choice, Globe, Annie, and PGA. Its only loss was to Happy Feet at the BAFTAs. Wreck-It Ralph won Critics Choice, PGA, and Annie, and lost to Brave.

    Please explain your answer. Are you favoring Zootopia because of its box-office gross or “cute factor”?

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    Pulp
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    I’m still going with Zootopia because of it’s box office gross for one, it’s the one more members are going to have sat and watched with their kids multiple times. Kubo is a movie for animation fans, not kids and that’s the kind of thing the Academy tends to go for. It’s from Disney, which I do think is truly an automatic plus. With Cars I think it was a way to honor George Miller in a weak year for Pixar, and that fits the bill of their usual winners, being fun for the whole family type of thing. Not too sure what happened with Brave besides that in 2012 Disney animation wasn’t what it is now and Pixar’s superior reputation helped it. I think if those two films were going up against each other now after Frozen, Big Hero 6, Zootopia, and Moana, then Wreck It Ralph would probably win.

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    John
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    If I were to bet, it would be Zootopia, because the Best Animated Feature award has really become the Best Pixar Feature Award. Wresting that statue away from Pixar has become a Sisyphean Task akin to Fitzcarraldo winching a 50 Ton steamboat across a South American jungle mountain range by hand. If it’s not the Pixar nominee, the next on the list is the Walt Disney Studios nominee. This year, it’s Moana.

    OTOH, I would like to see Kubo win.

    Nominated but not much hope:
    * My Life as a Zucchini: Also nominated for Best Foreign Language Film, this is a delightful story done in stop-action animation. Unfortunately, it’s a Swiss film in French, and it hasn’t even got a release date for DVD or Blu-ray in the U.S. (or Canada). If voters didn’t get a disc, they very, very likely didn’t see it, much less even know about it. Would have only been seen in an Art House in the U.S., and Box Office Mojo doesn’t even show any box office beyond France and Turkey.
    * The Red Turtle: As with “Zucchini” this one has no release date on DVD/Blu-ray in the U.S. or Canada and was shown in only 36 theaters in the U.S. Likewise, if voters didn’t get a disc, it’s very doubtful they’ve seen it. This one does have two advantages: Studio Ghibli was one of the production companies involved, and the film has no dialog, thus no foreign language barrier.

    IMHO, Kubo, or the other two for which there’s little to zero hope, are more deserving than Zootopia or Moana. Laika did Coraline (2009), Paranorman (2012), and The Boxtrolls (2014). They were associated with producing Corpse Bride (2005). Thus, there’s a distinct possibility and some hope that Kubo will produce an upset for the annual Best Pixar Feature Oscar.

    John

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    Pulp
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    If I were to bet, it would be Zootopia, because the Best Animated Feature award has really become the Best Pixar Feature Award. Wresting that statue away from Pixar has become a Sisyphean Task akin to Fitzcarraldo winching a 50 Ton steamboat across a South American jungle mountain range by hand. If it’s not the Pixar nominee, the next on the list is the Walt Disney Studios nominee. This year, it’s Moana. OTOH, I would like to see Kubo win. Nominated but not much hope: * My Life as a Zucchini: Also nominated for Best Foreign Language Film, this is a delightful story done in stop-action animation. Unfortunately, it’s a Swiss film in French, and it hasn’t even got a release date for DVD or Blu-ray in the U.S. (or Canada). If voters didn’t get a disc, they very, very likely didn’t see it, much less even know about it. Would have only been seen in an Art House in the U.S., and Box Office Mojo doesn’t even show any box office beyond France and Turkey. * The Red Turtle: As with “Zucchini” this one has no release date on DVD/Blu-ray in the U.S. or Canada and was shown in only 36 theaters in the U.S. Likewise, if voters didn’t get a disc, it’s very doubtful they’ve seen it. This one does have two advantages: Studio Ghibli was one of the production companies involved, and the film has no dialog, thus no foreign language barrier. IMHO, Kubo, or the other two for which there’s little to zero hope, are more deserving than Zootopia or Moana. Laika did Coraline (2009), Paranorman (2012), and The Boxtrolls (2014). They were associated with producing Corpse Bride (2005). Thus, there’s a distinct possibility and some hope that Kubo will produce an upset for the annual Best Pixar Feature Oscar. John

    Zootopia isn’t Pixar and my Life as a Zucchini isn’t nominated for foreign language film.

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    Richard R
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    Zucchini was on the short list for foreign film.

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    Richard R
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    Kubo has a better oscar campaign. I’ve seen several full page ads in The Hollywood Reporter and nothing for Zootopia

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    Zootopia isn’t Pixar and my Life as a Zucchini isn’t nominated for foreign language film.

    My bad . . . you’re right. Zootopia is from Disney Animation Studios, not their Pixar subisidiary. In the absence of a Pixar it’s a shoe-in compared to Moana. Zucchini was submitted by Switzerland for Best Foreign Language Film and made the short list which got my attention as that’s quite unusual, but didn’t make the cut to the final five (for some reason I thought it had).

    These corrections don’t change my assessment. Getting past Disney’s entries, whether it’s from their Pixar subsidiary or Disney Animation Studios is akin to pushing a very heavy boulder up a very steep hill. One or the other has won 8 times over the past 10 years (Curse of the Were-Rabbit and Rango were the other two).

    As an aside, I was surprised Finding Dory wasn’t nominated (displacing Moana).

    John

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    The illuminati
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    Kubo has a better oscar campaign.

    Arguably at the end, I do feel Laika was to the point of spamming as it was becoming annoying having to click on pop up adds every time I looked at a couple of sites!

    With that said Zootopia has had a very effective campaign throughout last year and was still hammering it in thought the voting period. Basically it comes down to what appeals to the majority of voters. A message that feels very relevant or craftsmanship.

    Also no one knows what kind of ground game both of these films had. The parties, handshakes, you owe me a favor etc.

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    Honey
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    Has Disney/Pixar ever been shut out completely at the Oscars though? (I forgot if it got shut out in 2006, with Cars) We know it won’t win song this year so animated feature is the only place where it will win.

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    Has Disney ever been shut out completely at the Oscars though? (I forgot if it got shut out in 2006, with Cars) We know it won’t win song this year so animated feature is the only place where it will win.

    Cars was nominated for both Animated Feature and Song.

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