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    For The Master, I personally rank him second behind Daniel Day-Lewis, but he likely came in third-fourth, trailing Day-Lewis and Hugh Jackman, on par with Bradley Cooper, ahead of Denzel Washington.

    You and Vince should join forces to bitch about black actors in the lead category clearly being fifth place slot filler. Jackman was no closer to that Oscar than Cooper. I think Phoenix and Washington had more support than one would assume based on the prejudice some have of either actor and their respective vehicle.

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    ^ drag them!!

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    [quote=”GoneGuy”]For The Master, I personally rank him second behind Daniel Day-Lewis, but he likely came in third-fourth, trailing Day-Lewis and Hugh Jackman, on par with Bradley Cooper, ahead of Denzel Washington.

    You and Vince should join forces to bitch about black actors in the lead category clearly being fifth place slot filler. Jackman was no closer to that Oscar than Cooper. I think Phoenix and Washington had more support than one would assume based on the prejudice some have of either actor and their respective vehicle.[/quote]

    Sooo many people thought Joaquin was going to miss the nomination for The Master. Lol. Too bad he didnt win.

    Btw your login name belies your posting style.

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    His omission from SAG suggested the Academy’s dislike of the movie and Phoenix’s blown out of portion comments would keep him out with some many wonderful alternatives for Best Actor. I prefer Phoenix and Washington to the water down choices of Cooper and Jackman. I disagree that Lincoln should be the vehicle to earn Day-Lewis a third Oscar. But it made sense to them to get the inevitable over with. My screen name has more to do with not calling other members names and bullying them than having a calm demeanor when I express myself.

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    [quote=”GoneGuy”]For The Master, I personally rank him second behind Daniel Day-Lewis, but he likely came in third-fourth, trailing Day-Lewis and Hugh Jackman, on par with Bradley Cooper, ahead of Denzel Washington.

    You and Vince should join forces to bitch about black actors in the lead category clearly being fifth place slot filler. Jackman was no closer to that Oscar than Cooper. I think Phoenix and Washington had more support than one would assume based on the prejudice some have of either actor and their respective vehicle.[/quote]

    Don’t do that. Don’t even imply what you’re implying. Please.

    I’ll elaborate on the specifics pertaining to this category this year, explaining why I personally rank everyone the way I did:

    No one was going to stop Daniel Day-Lewis for Lincoln. It was a clean sweep. Although my very favorite performance by an actor in a leading role, John Hawkes in The Sessions, wasn’t even nominated.

    I rank Phoenix second because it was a really outstanding and original performance. He makes giant leaps as an actor and I had never seen anything like that out of him. There was also serious love for The Master‘s performances since Phoenix, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Amy Adams all managed to get in. Not bad for a film shut out of everything else.

    The other three performances were all hit/miss with me.

    Hugh Jackman was really great in Les Miz most of the time. But his performance didn’t last long in my memory after seeing it, and certainly not three years later.

    Bradley Cooper was really good in Silver Linings Playbook, but my MVP was Robert De Niro. I thought Jennifer Lawrence was just okay, and considering how bare Lead Actress was, I don’t mind her win (I was rooting for Naomi Watts, who was lucky to even get the nom). I had big issues with Silver Linings Playbook as a film because the novel written by Matthew Quick is far far superior. I wish that had been the film David O. Russell adapted for the big screen.

    And then there’s Denzel Washington for Flight. Honestly, he’s given better performances. Of his six Oscar nominated performances, it is my least favorite. That doesn’t mean he’s bad or it’s a bad film, it just means he is an actor with six performances nominated, and when ranking them, Flight comes in last. For me. Just my opinion. I didn’t hate his nomination by any means. I was sad to see Hawkes snubbed, but he was left off in favor of Phoenix, not Washington. Flight was an okay film with a really good performance by Washington. And it was nice to see him back defending his title after winning for Training Day.

    The thing with Denzel and the Oscars, is they often times have him as the major nomination. None of his films have ever received a Picture or Director nomination, and only one has received a Screenplay nomination (Flight). He’s actually been the only major nomination for four of the six for which he’s been nominated:
    – 1987’s Cry Freedom – 3: Supp. Actor nom for Washington, plus noms for Score and Song.
    *1989’s Glory – 5: Wins for Supp. Actor Washington, Cinematography, and Sound. Noms for Art-Set Direction and Film Editing.
    – 1992’s Malcolm X – 2: Lead nom for Washington, Costume Design nom.
    – 1999’s The Hurricane – 1: Lead nom for Washington.
    *2001’s Training Day – 2: Win for Lead Actor Washington, nom for Supp. Actor Ethan Hawke.
    – 2012’s Flight – 2: Lead nom for Washington, Original Screenplay nom.

    Just because I rank him fifth for Flight, and feel he came in fifth with voters, doesn’t mean I always have. I had him ranked second for The Hurricane behind Kevin Spacey for American Beauty. I had him ranked first for Training Day, which is one of my very favorite upset wins ever. Russell Crowe for A Beautiful Mind won at Critics Choice, Globe, SAG, BAFTA, and several city-critics awards, plus his film won four Oscars, Picture, Director, Adapted Screenplay, and Supporting Actress. For Crowe to lose all of that to anyone is a giant upset, and I am thrilled it went to Washington, who gave the better performance and, like Joaquin Phoenix in The Master, showed me a character I had no idea was in him.

    Sometimes he has been snubbed for films where his costars managed to get in, the biggest being 1993’s Philadelphia. Tom Hanks ranks as my top pick for Lead Actor, but Washington should have been there with him, in Supporting Actor, where he would have my vote over the five who got in, including winner Tommy Lee Jones. As for other films, Ruby Dee managed to get nom for American Gangster, along with an Art Direction nom, and I was okay with that. I didn’t care for the film and felt Ridley Scott could have given better material to Crowe and Washington. 

    Back to Flight, I think another factor that contributed to Washington getting the least amount of votes was that it was not grand enough to warrant a third Oscar win. Oscar voters are very very prickly when it comes to handing over that third Oscar. Look how long they made Meryl wait. And yeah, Daniel Day-Lewis managed to win his third, but look at his performance and how it towers over everyone else (even John Hawkes, who wouldn’t have won, and I know that obviously). I’m sure several voters had the thought of, “Washington is good. But this isn’t third-Oscar worthy.” Day-Lewis is pretty fortunate actually; Tom Hanks was the best in his category for both Saving Private Ryan and Cast Away but still lost. Then he couldn’t even land a nomination in Lead for Captain Phillips or Supporting for Saving Mr. Banks

    PeacefulResolution, your comment of “You and Vince should join forces to bitch about black actors in the lead category clearly being fifth place slot filler” was extremely rude and out of line. If you have beef with this Vince poster (I’m guessing Vincelette? I don’t even know), you shouldn’t throw a slur at him/her by bringing me or any other poster into it. Just because I ranked Washington last for Flight does not at all mean that I label every single African American in this category, or any other category, last. Ever. That’s preposterous. I watch all of the nominated performances. I rank them from my personal favorite to least favorite. I then rank how I think they’ll place with voters. Isn’t that what all of us posting in these forums do? Isn’t that why we’re here? Just click on my username and look at my other posts. I try to be as educated and informed as possible when posting. 

    I’ve probably spent too much time devoted to responding to your comment, but reading something like that is certainly not how I wanted to start the day. If you were being flippant, I hope you see how tacky it was. But if you were genuine in thinking that my comment was a blanket statement that all African Americans rank last and/or are category-filler, I hope that you see that is not at all what I meant.  

    So now, live up to your screenname. Off to yoga. Namaste.    

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    Voting for “The Master.” Phoenix might never top this performance.

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    just a reminder the poll only lasts until tommorrow. of course you can continue aruging about Vin’s racism after that, I’m just saying in case you haven’t voted, do it now

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    The Master

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    Voting for “The Master.” Phoenix might never top this performance.

    Oh he will. And it’s gonna be glorious. 

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    I voted for “Walk the Line”.

    But my favorite performance for the win in that category in 2005/06 was Heath Ledger’s in “Brokeback Mountain” .

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    [quote=”Atypical”]Voting for “The Master.” Phoenix might never top this performance.

    Oh he will. And it’s gonna be glorious. [/quote]

    Well he hardly needs to. But I wonder if Woody Allen will get him to top it this year. Hope Woody’s alternating hit/flop streak continues…

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    THE MASTER! with Walk the Line losing an inch in second spot.
    I perosnally think that Joaquin Should have won for this towering performance, instead of DDL’s gimmicky method. 

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