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  • Problemchild
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    Just watched Vice. I don’t understand how anyone can praise Amy Adams’ performance but say Regina King is not worthy. While I found Adams to be good, Vice belongs to Christian Bale. King on the other hand leaves a bigger imprint on her film.

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    The only reason I have Yeoh higher than Robbie is because with PGA and SAG both nominating Crazy Rich Asians there’s a good chance voters will at least watch her film.

    That makes sense.  What I mean by my remark about how she did not even get Critics’ Choice is that she seems to me to be one of those erroneous contenders that the online community pegs early on as having potential, but actually has no support for whatever reason, like Michael Keaton in Spotlight.  He made sense on paper, then he was ignored by all of the major awards.  Examples last year might include Melissa Leo in Novitiate, Michael Shannon in The Shape of Water and Mark Rylance in Dunkirk.

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    Just watched Vice. I don’t understand how anyone can praise Amy Adams’ performance but say Regina King is not worthy. While I found Adams to be good, Vice belongs to Christian Bale. King on the other hand leaves a bigger imprint on her film.

    We all have opinions of each of the candidates’ performances and they all have been critically lauded (at least the four locks anyway.) I think it ultimately comes down to who the industry will want to reward despite our opinions on the performances (although I will say missing SAG and BAFTA could tell a lot about what the industry thinks of Regina King.)

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    Winning three Emmys in four years also speaks to what the industry “thinks” of Regina King too. Tomatoes, tomatoes. There’s some voter overlap there, and she’s worked with a great deal of Academy members. The Globes had its say. I think she can win Critics Choice this weekend. SAG & BAFTA are out of it now for her. Being the critical juggernaut has kept King firmly in the supporting actress conversation. She’s still the Oscar frontrunner barring a single victor who captures both SAG & BAFTA. I doubt that happens since the category is so fractured, meaning we truly won’t know who wins until the envelope is opened on Oscar night.

    AwardsBait3818
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    That makes sense. What I mean by my remark about how she did not even get Critics’ Choice is that she seems to me to be one of those erroneous contenders that the online community pegs early on as having potential, but actually has no support for whatever reason, like Michael Keaton in Spotlight. He made sense on paper, then he was ignored by all of the major awards. Examples last year might include Melissa Leo in Novitiate, Michael Shannon in The Shape of Water and Mark Rylance in Dunkirk.

    That’s a good point, Cardellini can at least ride in on Mortensen and Ali’s coattails while Yeoh would definitely be the only actor nominated from her movie if she managed to get in. I think the Mark Rylance comparison fits especially well, as Dunkirk was in Best Picture but failed to break into any acting categories, which may well happen to Crazy Rich Asians. At this point I’d place Yeoh in 10th and Robbie in 9th.

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    I want to ask those of you who think Amy Adams deserves to win on merit where here Oscar moment scene is in Vice because I sure couldn’t find it. it’s a boring dull performance – I kept expecting to hear “Stand By Your Man” by Tammy Wynette every time she shows up on the screen. She plays an awful woman, and while she is competent she is nothing more than competent. If she wins I will never understand why she has won. I believe that all four of the other eventual nominees will all DESERVE to win based on merit and i would be happy with any of them winning. Yes, I am rooting for Regina King, partly because I have hated how nasty people have been here on Gold Derby towards her performance and towards her throughout this awards season. I think Emma Stone, Rachel Weisz, Claire Foy, Margot Robbie, Nicole Kidman, Marina de Tavira, Michelle Yeoh, Emily Blunt and Regina King all would be worthy winners and I would be beyond happy for any of them to win the Oscar this year.

    Vuitton
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    Winning three Emmys in four years also speaks to what the industry “thinks” of Regina King too. Tomatoes, tomatoes. There’s some voter overlap there, and she’s worked with a great deal of Academy members. The Globes had its say. I think she can win Critics Choice this weekend. SAG & BAFTA are out of it now for her. Being the critical juggernaut has kept King firmly in the supporting actress conversation. She’s still the Oscar frontrunner barring a single victor who captures both SAG & BAFTA. I doubt that happens since the category is so fractured, meaning we truly won’t know who wins until the envelope is opened on Oscar night.

    Good and fair points, but this season she was snubbed by AACTA, BAFTA, and SAG all of which have AMPAS voters.

    She will wins Critic’s Choice which will give her extra momentum, but not sure how that momentum will last when she isn’t even there for SAG and BAFTA when here three main competitors are, and her film isn’t making any impact at all when it comes to guilds.

    But yes, it really is a close race. It will be between Adams and King (even if Weisz wins BAFTA.)

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    Even if Robbie misses this year, next year will be huge for her. She could be a potential double nominee, depending on category placements.

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    If you don’t think King’s performance is worthy from the realistic contenders, you basically support category fraud because the performances that are better than hers are Lead performances.

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    David Michael C. Lopez
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    Luca, I agree with you. Margot Robbie might as well end the drought by winning an Oscar either for ‘Ruin,’ ‘Fair and Balanced,’ or ‘Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.’ The last one kinda reminds us of the current movie ‘Bohemian Rhapsody,’ in which Rami Malek portrays the late Freddie Mercury. If that will happen, she will follow in footsteps of Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman (fellow Aussie costar of Fair and Balanced), making her the third Australian actress to win an Academy Award.

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    I don’t believe preferential ballots are used in any other category other than Best Picture. I think everyone just votes for their #1 choice and then the votes are tabulated, so there is no ranking of the nominees. I remember making the mistake a few years ago of thinking all categories were done by preferential ballot and being told that it was a ONE vote only from all academy members in all but Best Picture.

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    We all have opinions of each of the candidates’ performances and they all have been critically lauded (at least the four locks anyway.) I think it ultimately comes down to who the industry will want to reward despite our opinions on the performances (although I will say missing SAG and BAFTA could tell a lot about what the industry thinks of Regina King.)

    While reading select reviews for Vice from some of the big critics, I wouldn’t say Amy Adams’ performance was really “critically lauded”. I do remember reading criticism of how the role was written and what little she got to do other than to give no nonsense motivating talks to Bale’s Cheney. I think GD just loves her and she’s become an awards fixture like Jack Nicholson was back in the day.

    I don’t believe preferential ballots are used in any other category other than Best Picture. I think everyone just votes for their #1 choice and then the votes are tabulated, so there is no ranking of the nominees. I remember making the mistake a few years ago of thinking all categories were done by preferential ballot and being told that it was a ONE vote only from all academy members in all but Best Picture.

    I think the preferential system exists during the nomination process. Once the nominees are out and voting is open to choose a winner, it’s just based a member’s single vote for who they think was the best out of the 5.

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    mafro987
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    Can someone post critical reviews that actually singled out Adams’ performance as particularly good? Because seriously, I haven’t seen any. This is the worst performance she will likely be nominated for, and she has more that weren’t nominated.

    DrewN92
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    Can someone post critical reviews that actually singled out Adams’ performance as particularly good? Because seriously, I haven’t seen any. This is the worst performance she will likely be nominated for, and she has more that weren’t nominated.

    Most reviews of the movie itself aren’t positive but Adams received praise from a number of reviews.. The Hollywood reporter, The Atlantic, US weekly.. but I agree it’s not the same as her past performances so personally I kind of don’t want her to win for Vice because I think she has had better roles in the past and will have better roles in the future..

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    I am administering (the Goldies for daytime soaps excellence) an awards where we do the first round by giving first place 5 points, 2nd place 3 points, 3rd place 2 points, and 4th place 1 point – is it similar in the first round of Oscars and/or SAG? Then in the 2nd round it’s vote for your favorite?

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