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    Questionable first wins? Huh? Weisz steamrolled that award season for good reason. She was absolutely brilliant in The Constant Gardener. Her passionate, fiery performance fuels the second half of that film AND SHE’S NOT EVEN ON SCREEN. I’m assuming the basis of this is that you wanted Amy Adams to win for Junebug, but sorry, no one was saying Rachel Weisz was undeserved winner that year.

    And Mahershala Ali? Come on. The man did absolutely incredible work in his limited screen time. His scenes still haunt me in that movie, and it’s actually when he has no dialogue.

    When it comes to Weisz winning, I realize people are finally coming on board with this. I’ve been saying it all season. Granted, I was expecting Weisz to win something else. Either the Globe, then the SAG. Neither happened. But there’s still a chance here. She’s the clear choice between her and Stone. There’s no way Adams is happening. Her performance in “Vice” is in no way an Oscar winning performance. The only way she would win is if the overdue narrative stuck. And it hasn’t.

    King is absolutely still the favourite but she’s very problematic, for all the reasons that people have talked about. But the other big factor that (hilariously) people aren’t able to talk about is the performances because THEY HAVEN’T ACTUALLY SEEN THE MOVIE (like the previous poster). I find that hilarious that people debate these categories without having seen the movies. That’s why I stopped engaging with the people on Twitter that are so enraged by “Green Book”. Most haven’t even seen it. When it comes to Regina King, it’s an underwhelming role. I saw it a week or so before her Globe win, so the hype was there, and I came out of thinking “she’s going to win an Oscar for that?”. I thought that her first prominent sequence (The pregnancy reveal) was dominated by Aunjanue Ellis, and then Regina’s “big” ending was underwhelming. And Rachel Weisz just blows you away in “The Favourite”. Her timing and line reading was just incredible.

    People are making the argument that Marcia Gay Harden won without a SAG nom. I remember seeing “Almost Perfect” when it first came out and NEVER thinking Kate Hudson deserved to win an Oscar for it. Then I saw “Pollock” the night before the Oscars and thought THAT’S an Oscar-winning performance. So yeah, based on performance and impact, Weisz has it. King doesn’t. Obviously, outside factors contribute and what makes sense on paper, but the actual performance is a big factor too.

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    ENGLAND
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    When I said questionable, I was not referring to my own opinion. There are many who do not agree with Ali and Weiz’s first wins. I personally thought they were pretty okay but that is just my opinion.

    Both Weiz and Ali could have been submitted to lead, but only one was taking the heat. That was my argument.
    I have no problem with them being in supporting since fraud will now happen every year.

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    mafro987
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    I’m skeptical about King for several reasons: her being snubbed at SAG is significant due to the fact that actors who most likely share large overlap with the Emmys (correct me if I’m wrong) and are the largest voting block in the Academy snubbed her which defeats this whole “everybody must love Regina because she’s a 4 time Emmy winner!” argument. I also keep seeing Tom in videos saying that it doesn’t matter that her movie is not well liked due to people like Christopher Plummer winning for supporting in Beginners. Not only is that a flawed comparison IMO but to me it does matter as she is already lacking on one ingredient you need to win an Oscar(precursor strength/dominance) and is lacking in another in which she really should not be: With the same filmmaker winning Best Picture for Moonlight two years ago and in this type of political climate with this diverse new voting bloc why did If Beale Street Could Talk not do better with the overlapping with Oscar precursors? Black Klansman and Black Panther have the diverse angle as well but If Beale Street Could Talk is the small independent film that should have at least gotten into Best Picture and gotten more attention then it did from awards groups. No PGA, SAG, or major BAFTA nominations besides Screenplay. Coupled with King’s allegedly too brief performance and her lack of a large body of high profile film work in Hollywood makes me feel skeptical that she can win the Oscar.

    If you had seen Beale Street, you’d know that despite its quality and its popular director it’s definitely not typical awards-fare (from it’s unusual interpretation of race, its downbeat ending and unconventional narrative). I can’t tell whether that factors into King’s chances specifically though.

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    Vicennn
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    Rachel Weisz winning

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    Milk Money
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    Weisz’s chances are just as good, if not, better than Adams,’ de Tavira’s and Stone’s. However, the vote-splitting, lack of sweep, so-so US box office, and second Oscar bid are what’s ultimately going to do her in. If she only had 2 of the 4 working against her, especially the first 2, I’d consider it a toss-up b/w her and King.

    Ali’s second supporting win this year makes more sense than Weisz’s.

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    DaKardii
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    After BAFTA, Weisz is the clear frontrunner.

    Out of all the nominees, she is the only one who has been nominated at all four of the “Big 4” non-Oscar ceremonies (Golden Globe, Critics Choice, SAG, and BAFTA) AND won at least one of them.

    Adams and Stone – like Weisz – were also nominated at all four ceremonies, but unlike Weisz, they are empty-handed when it comes to wins.

    King was only nominated at two of the four ceremonies – Golden Globe and Critics Choice – although to her credit she did win both. However, that might not be enough.

    And de Tavira’s nomination is a true WTF. Not only was she not nominated at any of the “Big 4” ceremonies, she literally was not nominated anywhere else for Roma prior to the Oscars.

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    Gabriel Guarin
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    After BAFTA, Weisz is the clear frontrunner. Out of all the nominees, she is the only one who has been nominated at all four of the “Big 4” non-Oscar ceremonies (Golden Globe, Critics Choice, SAG, and BAFTA) AND won at least one of them. Adams and Stone – like Weisz – were also nominated at all four ceremonies, but unlike Weisz, they are empty-handed when it comes to wins. King was only nominated at two of the four ceremonies – Golden Globe and Critics Choice – although to her credit she did win both. However, that might not be enough. And de Tavira’s nomination is a true WTF. Not only was she not nominated at any of the “Big 4” ceremonies, she literally was not nominated anywhere else for Roma prior to the Oscars.

    Agreed.

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    金娜璉
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    LOL non-stop. I LOVE YOU.

    love you back! <3

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    O´Hara
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    Perhaps Colman is so pissed that she cannot be placed on supporting and win. She would make an awesome winner.

    This makes no sense.Olivia said the three of them are lead why would she wanna be in supporting?

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    Joe Burns
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    Questionable first wins? Huh? Weisz steamrolled that award season for good reason. She was absolutely brilliant in The Constant Gardener. Her passionate, fiery performance fuels the second half of that film AND SHE’S NOT EVEN ON SCREEN. I’m assuming the basis of this is that you wanted Amy Adams to win for Junebug, but sorry, no one was saying Rachel Weisz was undeserved winner that year.

    And Mahershala Ali? Come on. The man did absolutely incredible work in his limited screen time. His scenes still haunt me in that movie, and it’s actually when he has no dialogue.

    When it comes to Weisz winning, I realize people are finally coming on board with this. I’ve been saying it all season. Granted, I was expecting Weisz to win something else. Either the Globe, then the SAG. Neither happened. But there’s still a chance here. She’s the clear choice between her and Stone. There’s no way Adams is happening. Her performance in “Vice” is in no way an Oscar winning performance. The only way she would win is if the overdue narrative stuck. And it hasn’t.

    King is absolutely still the favourite but she’s very problematic, for all the reasons that people have talked about. But the other big factor that (hilariously) people aren’t able to talk about is the performances because THEY HAVEN’T ACTUALLY SEEN THE MOVIE (like the previous poster). I find that hilarious that people debate these categories without having seen the movies. That’s why I stopped engaging with the people on Twitter that are so enraged by “Green Book”. Most haven’t even seen it. When it comes to Regina King, it’s an underwhelming role. I saw it a week or so before her Globe win, so the hype was there, and I came out of thinking “she’s going to win an Oscar for that?”. I thought that her first prominent sequence (The pregnancy reveal) was dominated by Aunjanue Ellis, and then Regina’s “big” ending was underwhelming. And Rachel Weisz just blows you away in “The Favourite”. Her timing and line reading was just incredible.

    People are making the argument that Marcia Gay Harden won without a SAG nom. I remember seeing “Almost Perfect” when it first came out and NEVER thinking Kate Hudson deserved to win an Oscar for it. Then I saw “Pollock” the night before the Oscars and thought THAT’S an Oscar-winning performance. So yeah, based on performance and impact, Weisz has it. King doesn’t. Obviously, outside factors contribute and what makes sense on paper, but the actual performance is a big factor too.

    I haven’t seen the film true but I try to base my predictions/opinions on why a contender will or won’t win on general consensuses/factors that come up in the course of the season and I try to make allowances in my writing by clarifying that I haven’t seen the film and often times reach out to those who did for clarification.

    BTW love your suit.

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    Monty
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    Rachel Weisz is Amy Adams’ Hilary Swank if she ends up winning. Hope Adams could win someday in Best Actress.

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    Joe Burns
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    Why though? Sure Best Actress is more prestigious I guess lol but she’s only gotten one nod in leading with 5 of her nominations being in supporting. Wouldn’t it be nicer to see her finally see her win here?

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    金娜璉
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    Why though? Sure Best Actress is more prestigious I guess lol but she’s only gotten one nod in leading with 5 of her nominations being in supporting. Wouldn’t it be nicer to see her finally see her win here?

    Well Frances McDormand has two wins in leading. Yet she has more nominations in supporting and from her filmography she seems to predominantly be a supporting character actress (I think). So I’m sure Amy could pull off a Best Actress win. I really hope so, anyway.

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    JB
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    Predix:
    1. Regina King
    2. Rachel Weisz
    3. Amy Adams
    4. Emma Stone
    5. Marina deTavira

    My Preference:
    1. King
    2. Weisz
    3. Stone
    4. Adams
    5. DeTavira

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    seanytron
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    It has been over a decade since Weisz was nominated and deservedly won the Oscar for her legitimate Supporting Role. In that time since she has churned out multiple acclaimed leading performances.

    It has barely been 5 years since Ali won his Oscar and he is almost guaranteed a second. How can people compare the two when it’s obvious Weisz is more due some attention after such a gap?

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