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    Pretty sure it’s not going to be a primary topic like it wasn’t a primary topic before, and like it’s mostly just a thing on these movie forums. That narrative will only work if there is an undeniable performance next to it. If it’s a panned film (Billie Holiday) or a passionless film (Ma Rainey), the voters will go for stronger, more acclaimed contenders in strong films.

    I think that if a black performer is in contention they’ll get asked about it being 20 years since a black woman won in the category and it’ll become a thing

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    It’s going to be a big talking point if there are any POC contenders in the category viable for the Oscar win.

    People can talk about it, but the outcome won’t be different if the given options are weak. McDormand was able to win because she was a strong, acclaimed part of the eventual Best Picture winner. She wouldn’t have had a chance if her movie would have been under 60 on Metascore, or if her movie would have been snubbed all across the board in key categories. Only Streep could manage the former, and she was overdue for her third.

    I think that if a black performer is in contention they’ll get asked about it being 20 years since a black woman won in the category and it’ll become a thing

    Not sure it’s the right question, though. The right question should be why there aren’t more worthy roles for POC women? I mean people do really want Jennifer Hudson to win another Oscar? Her film will never go near key categories, so why should the narrative push her incompetent line-delivery toward success when Bassett, Woodard, or Spencer aren’t even offered leading roles in movies.

    Also, I feel like at one point somebody is going to point it out that talking about black records all the time while ignoring other ethnicities is kind of shameful. Like where are the Asians in this narrative? There have been a total of 1 nominee in 93 years. Etc.

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    Not sure it’s the right question, though. The right question should be why there aren’t more worthy roles for POC women?

    It’s not the right question but they’ll probably still ask it, people asked Youn Yuh-jung what Brad Pitt smells like after she just won an Oscar so you never know.

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    It’s not the right question but they’ll probably still ask it, people asked Youn Yuh-jung what Brad Pitt smells like after she just won an Oscar so you never know.

    And what did she say?

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    People can talk about it, but the outcome won’t be different if the given options are weak. McDormand was able to win because she was a strong, acclaimed part of the eventual Best Picture winner. She wouldn’t have had a chance if her movie would have been under 60 on Metascore, or if her movie would have been snubbed all across the board in key categories. Only Streep could manage the former, and she was overdue for her third.

    Not talking about the outcomes, but the talking point. If there are major POC contenders this year like J-Hud or Zendaya, for examples, it can’t help but be a talking point, especially after this year’s outcome. The media loves its narratives, and the 20-year anniversary of Halle Berry’s win with no successor yet is a big deal.

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    @Piper Halliwell

    People can talk about it, but the outcome won’t be different if the given options are weak.

    Yep like this year. More than any year before, if there was a year for quota narrative to work, it was this one but options were weak and better performance won. As is right. You cannot guilt trip 7000 or so people into voting because of some appalling statistic if performance(s) that would improve the stat are not as good as the competition. Between robbing a worthy winner of their win and improving a stat, awarding the best perfromance is the way to go. That’s what voters do, vote for the best, not for statistics. Also, speaking in pure numbers, who really has a motivation to vote based on quotas? Not foreign members who have nothing to do with American race relations and therefore need not and care not to “redeem” themselves by voting based on anything but performance quality/resonance.

    This thread is so strange for some people simultaniously beg for quota-based wins and are offended if  such (potential) wins are called quota wins.

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    @Piper Halliwell Yep like this year. More than any year before, if there was a year for quota narrative to work, it was this one but options were weak and better performance won. As is right. You cannot guilt trip 7000 or so people into voting because of some appalling statistic if performance(s) that would improve the stat are not as good as the competition. Between robbing a worthy winner of their win and improving a stat, awarding the best performance is the way to go. That’s what voters do, vote for the best, not for statistics. Also, speaking in pure numbers, who really has a motivation to vote based on quotas? Not foreign members who have nothing to do with American race relations and therefore need not and care not to “redeem” themselves by voting based on anything but performance quality/resonance. This thread is so strange for some people simultaniously beg for quota-based wins and are offended if such (potential) wins are called quota wins.

    What people don’t understand and what I think is the key issue here that with white contenders, there usually are a wild number of contenders from Julia Garner to Elisabeth Moss to Kate Winslet to Sophia Loren to Carrie Coon to Anya Taylor-Joy to Amy Adams..etc. So when a certain number of white contenders make the cut, there are a billion white contenders who don’t. But having only one or two visible POC contenders in the game is making people go crazy for their narratives, instead of thinking: is it right that there are only two visible POC contenders, to begin with? And more importantly, is it fair to assume that everybody is racist for not liking those two visible POC contenders enough to give them awards? It’s no wonder how the BAFTA jury would snub Viola or Andra and support 4 other POC instead. It means that they had the chance and opportunity to do so because they had more POC names involved. So we gotta ask ourselves, why there isn’t a campaign for films like Clemency, Rocks or The Forty-Year-Old Version? And why there aren’t more POC-led films produced by Hollywood?

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    It’s going to be a big talking point if there are any POC contenders in the category viable for the Oscar win.

    I feel like Negga going lead for Passing could do this.

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    And what did she say?

    I am not a dog. I did not smell him.

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    What people don’t understand and what I think is the key issue here that with white contenders, there usually are a wild number of contenders from Julia Garner to Elisabeth Moss to Kate Winslet to Sophia Loren to Carrie Coon to Anya Taylor-Joy to Amy Adams..etc. So when a certain number of white contenders make the cut, there are a billion white contenders who don’t. But having only one or two visible POC contenders in the game is making people go crazy for their narratives, instead of thinking: is it right that there are only two visible POC contenders, to begin with? And more importantly, is it fair to assume that everybody is racist for not liking those two visible POC contenders enough to give them awards? It’s no wonder how the BAFTA jury would snub Viola or Andra and support 4 other POC instead. It means that they had the chance and opportunity to do so because they had more POC names involved. So we gotta ask ourselves, why there isn’t a campaign for films like Clemency, Rocks or The Forty-Year-Old Version? And why there aren’t more POC-led films produced by Hollywood?

    This is a great point and I only disagree that they don’t understand. They understand just fine but that doesn’t fit in their headcanon so they selectively remember what feeds it and memoryhole the rest. Take Lupita last year. She suffered from genreism like many other actors including Collette a year before. Their horror movies did not transcend the genre, were not seen as powerful social commentry or so but pure genre outtings and they missed nominations.Kaluuya was in a genre movie that was seen as a powerful social commentary so he amde the cut together with his movie, director, etc. Ditto Phoenix. Genre performances and movie always need something extra (translation: not seen as genre) to get considered.

    Then they said, but but Lupita swept all critics awards. Critics are influencers, not voters. The race doesn’t start til televised precursors and even then anyone who’s seen as also-run with no chance of winning is more vulnerable to missing than frontrunner and runner up (except if you are a director,  all bets are off with Director’s Brach, they just don’t give a ****).  Critics sweep did not help Ethan Hawke for First Reformed. Again, if your movie is super inaccessible, they won’t watch, they won’t vote.

    Or comebacks. Sandler and Murphy had a comeback last year but goodwill wasn’t enough to tide them over with AMPAS. So to cut the chase, your point stands correct. For every PoC that misses, there are 10 or more whites that miss for exactly the same reason (inaccessible movies, genre movies that remained firmly in the genre zone, undercampaigned movies, underseen movies, actors that industry gave up on or didn’t take seriously, etc). But since that doesn’t fit the headcanon, those cases are swept under the rug.

    Wins will happen when performances are deemed the best in their category. Like every time. It doesn’t matter what one around here personally thinks is the best, voters vote for what they think is the best and all the outside shilling and drilling won’t work if it isn’t in support of the one they like the best. And such performances would win without shilling and drilling anyway.

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    I am not a dog. I did not smell him.

    Good answer! 🙂

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    Yeah, because that was all, right? McDormand is just some old white lady (I despise your derogatory, disrespectful tone) and Nomadland was just about this old white lady driving around America?

    Nothing disrespectful about it. I replied in the tone of the OG post which was actually pretty dismissing of Viola Davis and her incredible performance (s)

    And yes, that is pretty much what Nomadland is about.

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    Nothing disrespectful about it. I replied in the tone of the OG post which was actually pretty dismissing of Viola Davis and her incredible performance (s) And yes, that is pretty much what Nomadland is about.

    That comment didn’t offend Viola Davis, nor talked about her as she was some random actress, dismissing her film & work altogether. The user simply expressed their opinion on the performance.

    I couldn’t care less what you think of Nomadland or McDormand’s performance, but she’s been around for almost 40 years and she deserves more respect than you are giving her. She is not “some old white lady”. She is 4-time Oscar winner Frances McDormand, an industry veteran. Also, calling women ‘old’ is so off these days. You act as it’d be natural for a 63-year-old to win Oscars. McDormand is literally the third-oldest winner in the category.

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    Nobody did Davis dirty this year. She didn’t have the performance and she didn’t have the movie. That’s all. If anyone was done dirty that was Mulligan but her role was never an AMPAS thing. Davis gave a lesser performance in a total AMPAS wheelhouse. Lyp-synch’d while her competition (Day) actually sang. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for Davis?

    Narratives shmarratives. They only serve as justification why a weak contender has a shot at winning (from weak contender’s stans POV not from the industry that votes one). If someone who supposedly has a narrative wins, it’s because voters found them the best not because of the narrative. Davis and Boseman only had narrative. They weren’t even close to the best in their categories and their movie was weak. They lost to better contenders. No rocket science.

    Now, on topic of lip-synchincing, Malek won for that too but there were huge differences:

    his movie was a boxoffice giant (900M worldwide) and a Picture contender

    He played a legend and managed enough likeness in the role forhis performance to resonate. And resonated it did (see boxoffice and awards). How many have heard of Ma Rainey? Freddie Mercury level of fame she was not.

    He didn’t go agianst a contender who sang on his own and he didn’t compete a year after another actor won for a singer role.

    He carried the movie, wasn’t a co-star who is a borderline supporting or upstaged by a co-star

    Ma Rainey IS a legend. She was from a very different time period singing a very different music, but Ma was definitely a legen.d

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    Nah, I don’t think so. She should’ve been the first, but she barely does movies anymore nor does she seem to have the energy to give an Oscar winning performance.

    Dorothy Dandridge should have been the first.

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