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    Piper Halliwell
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    Funny, you pretty much dismissed Ma Rainey’s contribution to music in a previous post in your comparison to Freddie Mercury. Just because she never reached Freddie’s level of fame (most artists don’t) doesn’t change her status as a music legend, particularly in the genre blues…which influenced music as a whole for generations after her. If Frances should be held to a high regard, CERTAINLY Ma Rainey should.

    Pretty sure you got the wrong person, as I didn’t talk about any of this.

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    Pretty sure you got the wrong person, as I didn’t talk about any of this.

    Whoops! I definitely meant that for another poster. Apologies…

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    It’s definitely derogatory to dismiss Frances like that but I can relate to the disappointment of awarding a 60+ white female for a third time and a 80+ white male for a second time instead of certain others who were at their first nominations. Both wins recalling On Golden Pond some forty years ago.

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    It’s definitely derogatory to dismiss Frances like that but I can relate to the disappointment of awarding a 60+ white female for a third time and a 80+ white male for a second time instead of certain others who were at their first nominations. Both wins recalling On Golden Pond some forty years ago.

    I think the key difference is that Fonda and Hepburn had sentimental narratives giving them the vote. Whereas Hopkins hasn’t been this good in years and McDormand is the reason why her movie won best picture and its nonwhite female director won best director. Elephant in the room — nobody really likes Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom. It got recognized in the craft categories but had no passion to get people wins in the last leg of the season.

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    I think the key difference is that Fonda and Hepburn had sentimental narratives giving them the vote. Whereas Hopkins hasn’t been this good in years and McDormand is the reason why her movie won best picture and its nonwhite female director won best director. Elephant in the room — nobody really likes Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom. It got recognized in the craft categories but had no passion to get people wins in the last leg of the season.

    I don’t think you can completely rule out sentimental narratives this time around either. It’s not all that different when they decided to give Hepburn her 4th and then leave Marsha Mason un-awarded for the 4th time. Also, Jessica Tandy and Driving Miss Daisy also gets recalled with the current winners, ironically the supporting actor was a black winner as well that year.

    Long story short, the academy is still sentimental for old people and many of us ignored that aspect in predictions. It’s not just Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom because One Night In Miami didn’t get to BP either.

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    I think the key difference is that Fonda and Hepburn had sentimental narratives giving them the vote. Whereas Hopkins hasn’t been this good in years and McDormand is the reason why her movie won best picture and its nonwhite female director won best director. Elephant in the room — nobody really likes Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom. It got recognized in the craft categories but had no passion to get people wins in the last leg of the season.

    Ma Rainey was liked. Its been nominated all season, despite missing Best Picture, has excellent reviews, and won Viola the SAG, and won two Oscars……not bad at all. It was probably almost nominated for Best Picture too.

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    Let’s stop acting like McDormand gave one hell of a performance. She’s overrated and not worthy of three wins. They should just rename it “best actress in a Best Picture frontrunner” since best picture is all y’all think it takes to win now. Zellweger was in a stinker last year and still swept, but a more historic figure like Billie Holiday couldn’t get the trophy twice. Even the mighty Harriet Tubman couldn’t get it. It looks like  best picture becomes a thing only when black performers are involved. As far as I’m concerned, there was no point giving McDormand a third win when her second win was just three years ago. This isn’t the Meryl Streep case where we could all agree it was time considering her legacy. They just don’t want black women to win lead and that racist BAFTA needs to be boycotted

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    I love ya because you are a fellow Little Monster but Andra Day was never ever winning for her poorly reviewed film that only got one nomination.

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    I love ya because you are a fellow Little Monster but Andra Day was never ever winning for her poorly reviewed film that only got one nomination.

    It was improbable she would win having no other precursors except her Globe win. Precursors build momentum for nominees.

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    It was improbable she would win having no other precursors except her Globe win. Precursors build momentum for nominees.

    Yeah, a CCA win may have made the difference. Who knows? I do wonder what would have happened though had the Oscars been held a month earlier.

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    Let’s stop acting like McDormand gave one hell of a performance. She’s overrated and not worthy of three wins. They should just rename it “best actress in a Best Picture frontrunner” since best picture is all y’all think it takes to win now.

    But the gag is Frances might win again for Macbeth. Now that she has 3 (if you don’t count her producing award) the Academy will make sure she ties Katherine Hepburn’s record for a narrative. But after 4 acting wins, she’s done.

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    I think Hollywood needs to hire me. I’ve written multiple stories with Black female leads that do not involve race-issues.

    I think we have to fight for a variety of stories. We can’t keep telling the same stories over and over. Also, enough with the Recording artist-biopics. I’m so tired of every singer needing a biopic. They are all the same.

    Singer grows up with rough upbringing, becomes successful, gets distracted and falls on their feet, and has a comeback. Its been overdone. Whitney does not need a biopic. She is one of the most known singers in the world. Aretha does not need a biopic.

    What about Black rulers from Africa? What about psychological thrillers like Gone Girl?

    -Lupita in Us was a start. Here comes Hollywood giving us Them. Ew!!!!

    -Lastly, we need actors, not celebrities. Most of the younger Black actresses seem obsessed with fashion, fame, and social media. One thing that makes people want more from Jennifer Lawrence, Scarlett Johansson, and Emma Stone is the fact that they are somewhat reserved. They are not on social media. From the outside, it seems that they are focused on their careers and not chasing Fame. It follows them.

    These are all my opinions and I am willing to have conversations with anyone.

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