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  • GMonty777
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    You also predicted Affleck wouldn’t win so yeah lol. You’re entitled to your opinion but Casey took on the male version of Meryl Streep and literally set the record for most awards won, some people must view that performance pretty favorably.

    He/she continues to miss that point. Affleck’s performance was universally beloved. Washington’s only love came from SAG membership. Nothing to really argue here about.

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    You also predicted Affleck wouldn’t win so yeah lol. You’re entitled to your opinion but Casey took on the male version of Meryl Streep and literally set the record for most awards won, some people must view that performance pretty favorably.

    He/she continues to miss that point. Affleck’s performance was universally beloved. Washington’s only love came from SAG membership. Nothing to really argue here about.

    SAGs voting membership is about 130,000 people. If you combine all the critics groups, AMPAS, BAFTA, Golden Globes voters etc, you wouldn’t even reach 20,000 voters (significantly less I think).

    The “only” group that gave Washington love had almost 7 times the voting membership than every other award Affleck won combined. Affleck winning SAG would be actual evidence of his performance being universally beloved. He was pushed by a minority group (critics awards) and buzz/hype got him over the finish line, but don’t get it twisted.

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    1) I would have voted for Denzel and Viggo before Casey (he was 3rd for me last year) but I think that it is certainly not a consensus that Denzel should have won. I think a lot of people agree that Affleck’s win was one of the best in that category in recent years.

    2) About separating the art from the artist, in theory you might be right but I think your argument falls apart when looking at specific cases. Because if you watch an actor’s performance before you knew they were a creep you would have no idea. With new information does the performance change? Maybe in your perception but I would argue that that is more psychological than in reality.

    Last year, I predicted that Affleck would win, and it was pretty obvious to me.

    Affleck won the BAFTA, Critics Choice, and Globe.

    He won at least 17 Best Actor trophies among film critic circles, and that doesn’t count online or festival awards or the Independent Spirit awards.

    Not only did he win pretty much all the big acting awards, the screenplay was favored to win Best Original.

    The only REASONS why people predicted Washington is because he won the SAG and Affleck’s settlement case became a news story. But as far as the art, his performance was the more popular choice.

    All the other awards can be won by buzz and hype. At SAG, it’s craftspeople voting for the craft.

    As far as the actual craft of acting goes, if you sweep all these other awards, and your fellow actors don’t vote for you, then it means they didn’t buy into the hype. Affleck losing SAG to Washington was a huge deal. As far as actors were concerned, Washington gave the best performance of the year. If only the Actors Branch of AMPAS were allowed to vote for the winner, I suspect Denzel would easily have won the oscar.

    In all honesty, critics may have actually done Denzel a huge favor by undeservedly promoting Affleck’s performance over his. Actors saw through it, and as a result now Denzel basically has enough power within the Actors branch to probably break Jack Nicholson’s nomination record with the Academy.

    Lots of problems here:

    Not every SAG member voted for Washington. Nobody knows what the official vote count was, but to assume that all of them voted for Washington is rather silly.

    The BAFTAs are an industry award and most of them voted for Affleck, and Washington wasn’t even nominated.

    It is pretty universally true that Affleck’s performance was more acclaimed than Washington’s performance. Washington just won the SAG. Affleck won pretty much everything else.

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    1) I would have voted for Denzel and Viggo before Casey (he was 3rd for me last year) but I think that it is certainly not a consensus that Denzel should have won. I think a lot of people agree that Affleck’s win was one of the best in that category in recent years. 2) About separating the art from the artist, in theory you might be right but I think your argument falls apart when looking at specific cases. Because if you watch an actor’s performance before you knew they were a creep you would have no idea. With new information does the performance change? Maybe in your perception but I would argue that that is more psychological than in reality.

    Last year, I predicted that Affleck would win, and it was pretty obvious to me. Affleck won the BAFTA, Critics Choice, and Globe. He won at least 17 Best Actor trophies among film critic circles, and that doesn’t count online or festival awards or the Independent Spirit awards. Not only did he win pretty much all the big acting awards, the screenplay was favored to win Best Original. The only REASONS why people predicted Washington is because he won the SAG and Affleck’s settlement case became a news story. But as far as the art, his performance was the more popular choice.

    All the other awards can be won by buzz and hype. At SAG, it’s craftspeople voting for the craft. As far as the actual craft of acting goes, if you sweep all these other awards, and your fellow actors don’t vote for you, then it means they didn’t buy into the hype. Affleck losing SAG to Washington was a huge deal. As far as actors were concerned, Washington gave the best performance of the year. If only the Actors Branch of AMPAS were allowed to vote for the winner, I suspect Denzel would easily have won the oscar. In all honesty, critics may have actually done Denzel a huge favor by undeservedly promoting Affleck’s performance over his. Actors saw through it, and as a result now Denzel basically has enough power within the Actors branch to probably break Jack Nicholson’s nomination record with the Academy.

    Definitely disagree your sentiments on SAG. Just because they vote for something, it doesn’t make it the best.

    It’s an important precursor, undoubtedly. But cases like Judi Dench winning for Chocolat or Paul Giamatti winning for Cinderella Man. They definitely feel like cases of voting for the actor. Dench hadn’t won an individual SAG award yet. (Giamatti had been “snubbed” by the Academy two years in a row prior to this).

    The Oscars, obviously, do this too but my point is SAG isn’t JUST voting for what they view as the best performance. They may sometimes vote differently but that doesn’t mean that’s the best performance or the one that should have won.

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    RobertPius
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    Denzel Washington just started rehearsals for The Iceman Cometh in NYC. (a huge role)

    I would suspect there is a possibility that he won’t even attend the ceremony.

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    DaKardii
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    Well, it’s for the best.

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    I’d love to see them do something similar to 2008, where five women present. If they only did that for one award too, it would be fairly powerful. I’d push to have Natalie Portman, Jennifer Lawrence, Cate Blanchett, Julianne Moore, and Brie Larson. Emma will already be presenting Best Actor and Meryl’s nominated, so it works well.

    Or they could ask Oprah…

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    Good mainly bc it would be a headline/distraction. Still rme about how this of all things got the industry in such a tizzy while they enabled bigger fishes, but fine.

    It’ll be HILARIOUS if Gary Oldman’s skeletons came out after his win and we are back here again next year.

    There’s diference with Gary Oldman. He actually went to court and was proven innocent (so yes, innocent until prove guilty). Affleck no.

    But of course the Oscar can put this clip instead of one from “Darkest Hour”: Sirius

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    Good mainly bc it would be a headline/distraction. Still rme about how this of all things got the industry in such a tizzy while they enabled bigger fishes, but fine.

    It’ll be HILARIOUS if Gary Oldman’s skeletons came out after his win and we are back here again next year.

    There’s diference with Gary Oldman. He actually went to court and was proven innocent (so yes, innocent until prove guilty). Affleck no.

    But of course the Oscar can put this clip instead of one from “Darkest Hour”: Sirius1

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    distain
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    1) I would have voted for Denzel and Viggo before Casey (he was 3rd for me last year) but I think that it is certainly not a consensus that Denzel should have won. I think a lot of people agree that Affleck’s win was one of the best in that category in recent years. 2) About separating the art from the artist, in theory you might be right but I think your argument falls apart when looking at specific cases. Because if you watch an actor’s performance before you knew they were a creep you would have no idea. With new information does the performance change? Maybe in your perception but I would argue that that is more psychological than in reality.

    Last year, I predicted that Affleck would win, and it was pretty obvious to me. Affleck won the BAFTA, Critics Choice, and Globe. He won at least 17 Best Actor trophies among film critic circles, and that doesn’t count online or festival awards or the Independent Spirit awards. Not only did he win pretty much all the big acting awards, the screenplay was favored to win Best Original. The only REASONS why people predicted Washington is because he won the SAG and Affleck’s settlement case became a news story. But as far as the art, his performance was the more popular choice.

    All the other awards can be won by buzz and hype. At SAG, it’s craftspeople voting for the craft. As far as the actual craft of acting goes, if you sweep all these other awards, and your fellow actors don’t vote for you, then it means they didn’t buy into the hype. Affleck losing SAG to Washington was a huge deal. As far as actors were concerned, Washington gave the best performance of the year. If only the Actors Branch of AMPAS were allowed to vote for the winner, I suspect Denzel would easily have won the oscar. In all honesty, critics may have actually done Denzel a huge favor by undeservedly promoting Affleck’s performance over his. Actors saw through it, and as a result now Denzel basically has enough power within the Actors branch to probably break Jack Nicholson’s nomination record with the Academy.

    Definitely disagree your sentiments on SAG. Just because they vote for something, it doesn’t make it the best.

    It’s an important precursor, undoubtedly. But cases like Judi Dench winning for Chocolat or Paul Giamatti winning for Cinderella Man. They definitely feel like cases of voting for the actor. Dench hadn’t won an individual SAG award yet. (Giamatti had been “snubbed” by the Academy two years in a row prior to this).

    The Oscars, obviously, do this too but my point is SAG isn’t JUST voting for what they view as the best performance. They may sometimes vote differently but that doesn’t mean that’s the best performance or the one that should have won.

    SAG does not do make-up awards. This theory needs to end. SAG literally do not care if you’ve ever won before or not, no matter how great or legendary an actor you may be.

    Robert DeNiro lost his third SAG nomination this year to a supporting actor performance (Alexander Skarsgaard) in the lead actor category for TV movie or mini-series. DeNiro is one of the most legendary actors in history and has never won a SAG award. They’ll only give him the win if they think he gives the best performance, not out of some make-up call. Other organisations like the oscars may do make-up awards or “overdue” awards, but not SAG.

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    Gain
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    I’d love to see them do something similar to 2008, where five women present. If they only did that for one award too, it would be fairly powerful. I’d push to have Natalie Portman, Jennifer Lawrence, Cate Blanchett, Julianne Moore, and Brie Larson. Emma will already be presenting Best Actor and Meryl’s nominated, so it works well.

    I hated it when they did that, so no please.

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    All the other awards can be won by buzz and hype. At SAG, it’s craftspeople voting for the craft. As far as the actual craft of acting goes, if you sweep all these other awards, and your fellow actors don’t vote for you, then it means they didn’t buy into the hype. Affleck losing SAG to Washington was a huge deal. As far as actors were concerned, Washington gave the best performance of the year. If only the Actors Branch of AMPAS were allowed to vote for the winner, I suspect Denzel would easily have won the oscar. In all honesty, critics may have actually done Denzel a huge favor by undeservedly promoting Affleck’s performance over his. Actors saw through it, and as a result now Denzel basically has enough power within the Actors branch to probably break Jack Nicholson’s nomination record with the Academy.

    Since you’re being so literal with your examples, you really need to look it up what makes up the membership of AFTRA which is almost the half of SAG voting body now. (clue: weathersman, dancers, recording artists and more.)

    And even taking AFTRA out of equation, a guild as enormous as SAG which is mostly filled with inexperienced actors that have only been extras in their lives can’t really be giving out ”the one acting award that can’t be questioned”. I’m willing the bet the ratio of the qualified actors that are allowed to vote at Oscars(1,2k actors among 6k voters in general) are greater than the ones that make up the SAG-AFTRA membership(among 160k people)

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