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    Leonardo DiCaprio in Blood Diamond, Forest Whitaker in The Last King of Scotland and Viola Davis in The Help might have gone supporting, fradulently or not, with different campaign teams?

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    Felicity Jones and Alicia Vikander are basically two peas in a pod. This time last year, Alicia would have been in lead for Danish (and Felicity supporting this year for Theory). They’re both leads, absolutely. It has to do with timing/perceived category strength, etc.

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    Patricial Neal – Hud (def supporitng IMO)

    Marlon Brando – The Godfather (he’s missing from BIG chunks of the movie; Al Pacino was the lead)

    Frances McDormand – Fargo (she is the central female, but she doesn’t show up until half an hour in and it’s a short movie. Deserving win though)  William H Macy was nominated for supporting for that movie but I think he belonged in lead.

    David Niven for best actor in Seperate Tables….15 minutes and 38 seconds

     

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    Steve Carell in Foxcatcher
    Viola Davis in The Help 

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    Ellen Burstyn would have probably won had she been in supporting. I wonder how her screen time compares to Marcia Gay Harden who some argue was a lead.

    Paricia Neal is a strange one. I saw that a few years ago and was shocked. I thought she was the leading lady. She’s just in it a little bit. It worked though  , she won. 

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    Anne Bancroft in AGNES OF GOD.  It’s on the borderline I guess.  I think of the Dr. character as the only lead.  But’s still a larger role than the title one.  Geraldine Page (who played the character on broadway) was also a lead nominee at the Tony awards.  

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    Viola in The Help? – not supporting
    Amy Adams in American Hustle? – not supporting
    Meryl in August: Osage County? – not supporting

    Man, for people who are so up in arms about category frauds, some of you can’t call the right categories.

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    I second Frances McDormand-Fargo. If I’m being generous, she might be co-lead with H.Macy but the latter being in supp. category, what a joke. And I wasn’t neither a fan of her acting nor her accent there so maybe I’m just biased.

    Also Naomi Watts-The Impossible.

    I know this is for movies only, but look at my signature and I’m bored.

    Elizabeth McGovern&Hugh Bonneville-Downton Abbey.
    Apparently playing the older patriarch and matriarch in a big ensemble show automatically puts you in a lead category even if you’re not even the main focus of the camera in your “own” scenes. Dockery and the one that played her husband also went lead eventually(and made more sense) while all downstairs people stuck in supporting even though they had just as much to do, if not more. It’s a class discrimination! lololol.
    And performances from those two were so mediocre and one-note(especially Bonneville and his never-changing pulp face ugh.) shame that they stole spots from other deserving leads in other shows.

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    Anthony Hopkins(Silence of the Lambs), Annette Benning(The Kids Are All Right), Peter Finch(Network), Faye Dunaway(Chinatown). Those are supporting performances

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    Good Christ. No wonder category fraud is rampant when we start a thread like this and get a load of lead performances mentioned as supporting. The Oscars have officially confused us out of knowing the difference.

    You do not have to be in every scene to be a lead, especially in some ensemble movies like American Hustle where the leads often have less than 50% of screen time, yet they’re still leads because their agency and shared focus in the narrative is markedly higher than the rest of the cast. (AH is a three-lead film, by the way.)

    Take the play Othello as an example. With a particularly successful film adaptation vying for Oscars, an awards strategist would want to campaign Iago and Desdemona as supporting (as indeed happened with Olivier’s Othello in 1965). Nuh-uh. Othello, Iago and Desdemona are the leads; Emilia, Cassio and the rest are supporting. This is similar to many awards-season movies which people don’t know what to do with in terms of acting categories.

    There are a couple of cases when genuine supporting characters were nominated as lead: Patricia Neal in Hud comes to mind. I’ve always thought of Louise Fletcher as a co-lead in Cuckoo’s Nest, but I’ll accept argument on that one. Talia Shire in Rocky I’m not sure about, I’ll have to see it again, though she almost certainly would have won as a supporting contender. I’ve heard there are a number of reverse category frauds in the early days when major stars usually went lead no matter what, but I haven’t seen those.

     

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    You do not have to be in every scene to be a lead

    I see people here focusing too much on screentime.

    The one that come to mind immediately is really Louise Fletcher. As much as I can remember the movie, there isn’t one single scene on her perspective, that’s all about Nicholson.

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    Faye Dunaway is 100% lead in Network but Peter Finch is actually kind of supporting. He has much less screen time than Holden but his preformance is more showy while Holden is so subtle and much better btw…
     

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    I dont believe that there is any ‘fraud’ when an arguably Supporting actor is nominated in Lead. And the reasons for that, when it debatably does happen, are pretty clear.

    The odds either balance out or, they are not “cheating”. It may or may not be an ‘ego’ thing, but it’s not as if they’re competing unfairly with the other Leads.

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    Yep. Finch would’ve made a better winner than Jason Robards in All the President’s Men if he was going supporting anyway

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