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    Jeffrey Kare
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    They ran it on CBS Sunday. I had forgotten that it wasn’t even nominated for Best Original Screenplay. I think it should have got the spot Deconstructing Harry took. Granted some of the dialogue in Titanic is a bit hokey but the structuring and plotting of the whole thing deserved it more than a mediocre Woody Allen movie. Thoughts?

    It looked like Titanic might’ve been on the cusp of a Best Original Screenplay nomination not only because of how well the film itself did with Oscar nominations (and wins), but also because the screenplay was nominated by the Golden Globes and WGA. The latter group also nominated Avatar, regardless of what anyone thinks of that film’s script. As of now, I’ve only seen two of the Best Original Screenplay nominees from 1997 (which would be As Good As It Gets and Good Will Hunting), but if I had to nominate Titanic, I would definitely replace Deconstructing Harry with it because all due respect to Woody Allen, he doesn’t need another Oscar nomination. Plus, he’s never even cared about the Academy Awards.

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    No, and if I was going to pick a film to replace it with, I would’ve picked Chasing Amy. The dialogue of that film was incredibly sharp.

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    estrelas
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    I do think it deserved a nomination but a win? definitely not. Good Will Hunting, Boogie Nights, As Good as It Gets and The Full Monty are all superior (writing-wise). Like I said it deserved a nomination but not a win. Not to mention, it was by far the weakest link of the movie.

    FYC Emmys:

    THE CROWN

    Jane Lapotaire (Drama Guest Actress)
    Helena Bonham Carter (Drama Supporting Actress)
    Josh O'Connor (Drama Supporting Actor)
    Olivia Colman (Drama Actress)
    Tobias Menzies (Drama Actor)
    Charles Dance (Drama Guest Actor)

    KILLING EVE

    Jodie Comer and Sandra Oh (Drama Actress)
    Fiona Shaw (Drama Supporting Actress)
    Evgenia Dodina (Drama Guest Actress)
    Sean Delaney (Drama Guest Actor)

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    No, and if I was going to pick a film to replace it with, I would’ve picked Chasing Amy. The dialogue of that film was incredibly sharp.

    I was trying to think what I would have voted as the 5th and I think I’d go with In & Out. It would have been great to back up Joan Cusack’s nomination with a screenplay nod as well.

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    Always confused me why so many people hate Billy Zane in this. Is it the character rubbing off on people’s opinion of the acting.

    I always thought he was ok as hateful character.

    It really seemed to tank his career. I can’t think of another movie I’ve seen him in since Titanic without checking. It certainly took him off the A-list.

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    Other than a couple Zoolander cameos playing himself, I

    Always confused me why so many people hate Billy Zane in this. Is it the character rubbing off on people’s opinion of the acting.

    I always thought he was ok as hateful character.

    It really seemed to tank his career. I can’t think of another movie I’ve seen him in since Titanic without checking. It certainly took him off the A-list.

    Other than a couple Zoolander cameos playing himself, I can’t think of any either.

    Damn shame. I definitely think the character he played in the movie got him out of favor.

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    Worse movies got nominated in that category and better ones were excluded. “Good Will Hunting” was actually very well written and I wonder how Damon and Affleck were able to write something so mature while they were that young. Even though they both wrote screenplays from time to time, nothing came close to that so it makes me wonder whether they actually didn’t have somebody doing uncredited work there. No accusing, of course.

    “Boogie Nights” would be my alternate choice there, pulling so many different strings at the same time. It’s weird to see Paul Thomas Anderson NOT having Oscar now and actually only being nominated for his adapted screenplays once 1990s have ended – “The Master” and “Phantom Thread” could have and maybe should have gotten him nominations in original screenplay.

    I love that there was a spot for a film like “The Full Monty”, certainly helped by the success of “Four Weddings and a Funeral” 3 years before. I was positively surprised to see it in Best Picture and Best Director as well so that movie had support besides British part of the Academy (or were they enough?).

    “Deconstructing Harry” is divisive but I think it’s actually constructed very well, especially when compared to Allen’s previous nomination “Mighty Aphrodite” which was terrible and didn’t deserve anything sans Sorvino who made it somewhat watchable. I think problem with “…Harry” is the fact that it’s very unpleasent, yet even for the scene with characters applauding their creator it deserved a spot here.

    I have bigger problem with “As Good As It Gets” which has aged very badly and looks much older than “Broadcast News” and even “Terms of Endearment”. Nicholson’s hammy performance winning was terrible, Hunt saves it but I wouldn’t give her an Oscar either. It’s a very problematic movie that has very strong but also very low, cringy points. It’s actually Melvin does something wonderful/terrible/wonderful/terrible all the time and that was tiresome. If any film was supposed to be excluded for “Titanic”, that would be it.

    I consider “Titanic” better written than “Avatar” which – plotwise – didn’t have that much going for it. Jack and Rose are still watched and make people enthusiastic, even those who are younger than the movie. “As Good As It Gets” will never have that. Sure, screenplay wouldn’t be among the most deserved nominations for the picture but I could have lived with that (and DiCaprio nominated over Hoffman). I personally think there’s no way a majority of writers would appreciate the movie that includes spitting contest. 🙂

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    William Goldman is rumored to have written a substantial part of Good Will Hunting, not enough for an official WGA credit but enough to have a huge impact on the movie. The scenes between Robin Williams and Stellen Skarsgard always seem just way too sophisticated psychologically for two young guys like Damon and Affleck to come up with.

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    That explains a lot. I’d fight for that credit.

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    I could go either way. It’s certainly memorable and iconic, but it’s also full of cliches.

    I also agree with the sentiment that the script is better than Avatar’s, which is not only full of cliches and ideas directly lifted from other films, but is frankly, pretty boring. The effects made that movie.

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    Definitely no and Winslet didn’t deserve it either!

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    Definitely no and Winslet didn’t deserve it either!

    Yep, it didn’t. Not to mention Pam Grier was robbed in favour of Winslet. What a shame, because Best Actress needed some spicing up.

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    Yep, it didn’t. Not to mention Pam Grier was robbed in favour of Winslet. What a shame, because Best Actress needed some spicing up.

    Haven’t seen Helena from that lineup but even the rest are quite uninspired, Julie Christie was so random…

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    Haven’t seen Helena from that lineup but even the rest are quite uninspired, Julie Christie was so random…

    Helena was great, Dench was good, the rest aren’t that interesting. Overall, a pretty boring category.

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