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    I think you’re absolutely right, I just wish I knew why. It’s aggravating in a year that was actually pretty great for film. Before the season started I was mildly optimistic that the insanity of 2020 would inspire more diversity of choices than usual; instead we’re getting the opposite, with more consensus than normal.

    I never get what I want lol.

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    I like the ‘effort against imagination’ phrase. They just want to be seen as having a degree of influence over the Oscar race, and don’t want to be outliers for fear of being declared irrelevant. There is probably also some concern over social engagement. And of course the recurrent nominees are almost always the bigger names with more hype, or the one or two ‘critics picks’ ordained to be the safe choices (Flanigan this year for example). Finally, it goes without saying that it’s easier to reach consensus when the field of acceptable or ‘realistic’ choices is relatively small.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
    Best Actress: Carice van Houten (Instinct)

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    Indie Spirit date announced.

    https://twitter.com/NextBestPicture/status/1352273876756160513

    They’ve probably just done that os they don’t get humiliated again if they give the Best Actress trophy to someone and they don’t wind up winning.

    FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"

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    Indie Spirit delayed.

    https://twitter.com/NextBestPicture/status/1352273876756160513

    They’ve probably just done that os they don’t get humiliated again if they give the Best Actress trophy to someone and they don’t wind up winning.

    It was anticipated, not delayed.

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    It’s still hapenning before the oscars, none of those award shows have the balls to take place after.

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    Indie Spirit delayed.

    https://twitter.com/NextBestPicture/status/1352273876756160513

    They’ve probably just done that os they don’t get humiliated again if they give the Best Actress trophy to someone and they don’t wind up winning.

    Lol when has Indie Spirit ever tried to give their award to the Oscar favourite? That’s literally the opposite of what they try to do

    FYC:

    Best Director - Lee Isaac Chung (Minari), Darius Marder (Sound of Metal)

    Lead Actor - Delroy Lindo (Da 5 Bloods), Mads Mikkelsen (Another Round), Riz Ahmed (Sound of Metal)

    Supporting Actor - Paul Raci (Sound of Metal)

    Supporting Actress - Youn Yuh-jung (Minari)

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    Indie Spirit delayed.

    https://twitter.com/NextBestPicture/status/1352273876756160513

    They’ve probably just done that os they don’t get humiliated again if they give the Best Actress trophy to someone and they don’t wind up winning.

    The Spirit Awards DON’T CARE about giving an award that Oscar will give. They always do their own thing. People who want more diversity in choices usually look at Spirit as a way to get it. They sometimes snub movies/performances that were indie darlings with the critics as well.

    It’s funny, people complain that the critics are awarding the same movies over and over, but when there is a group that awards a different movie, people get all crazy and question their taste. Or call a totally “out there” choice that doesn’t fit in with a user’s narrative/prediction that they are so married to that it is one degree short of an obsession as nothing but a “critics thing” that won’t show up for Oscar.

    People criticize the critics for trying not to be seen as irrelevant to the Oscars in order to explain their “safe” or “consensus” choices, but then people keep screaming about how the critics are irrelevant to the Oscars when a group makes an announcement that pisses people off.

    I do think there is some group-think with critics, but critics are like all entities. Consensus and group think tends to happen the larger a group becomes. It just is what it is. It’s the smaller, jury awards that give diverse choices. That’s how human beings interact, no matter how knowledgeable or niche their tastes are. If you want to feel better, just read Sight & Sound’s list again or read Cahier du Cinema’s choices.

    Btw, I watched Let them All Talk, that talk about a movie that rides on buzz that can only come from a message board like Gold Derby. The fact that critics are ignoring this movie shows to me they actually did see it.

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    It’s still hapenning before the oscars, none of those award shows have the balls to take place after.

    My bad got the Oscars date wrong!

    FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"

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    Lol when has Indie Spirit ever tried to give their award to the Oscar favourite? That’s literally the opposite of what they try to do

    FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"

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    It’s still hapenning before the oscars, none of those award shows have the balls to take place after.

    Indie Spirit Awards have traditionally taken place the day before Oscar as a form of tradition where everyone is in Hollywood that weekend for the Oscars so they can have a party and do an anti-Oscar award. They don’t care if their winners align with Oscar. In fact, I think they prefer it.

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    Some people would have given her the award. Big deal. Only on GD where people think Glenn Close is an awful actress or something all because people treat movies and actors like football teams or something and awards as matches.

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    Some people would have given her the award. Big deal. Only on GD where people think Glenn Close is an awful actress or something.

    Some Independent Spirit members were extremely pissed that year. That was the year with the least amount of correlation between the Oscars and Spirit Awards and winners were still extremely bland and predictable as hell. If Beale Street Could Talk, Barry Jenkins and Glenn Close were the wins some members were extremely disappointed at. Many wanted to see Lynne Ramsay and Toni Collette win their categories and something like First Reformed or You Were Never Really Here in Film.

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    Now that I think about it, I wonder if the Spirits voting body has gotten too big or something. They really have been coinciding a lot with Oscar. Much more so than Gothams which are a juried award (different juries for every category!). It reminds me of the Drama Desk Awards where they nominate both Off-Broadway and Broadway shows. The nominating committee are a small select group who have to see every production eligible in a year, and then they make their nominations, which at times people think are WTF with the snubs but they can also include bold Off-Off-Broadway choices. But then the winners are chosen by a much larger group who don’t have to see every show, and sure enough, the winners tend to go to big, commercial Broadway shows that are in the running for the Tony Awards a few weeks later. The nominations are almost always bolder than the winners.

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    Only on GD where people think Glenn Close is an awful actress or something all because people treat movies and actors like football teams or something and awards as matches.

    I wasn’t saying anything against Close (I am actually a Glenn stan lol) but it’s quite clear (at least to me) that she won over Toni Collette because she was competitive for the Oscar. Same with Zellweger (who gave my favourite performance that year) and with McDormand (who also gave my joint favourite performance that year).

    In fact all four of their acting winners in 2018 year were the Oscar winners for were clearly next in line for the win.

    FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"

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    Maybe Spirits have outlived their usefulness. Back then, it was really hard for multiple indies to get Oscar nominations unless there was like a drought in Best Actress or something, so it really stood for something. Now that more than half the Oscar nominations go to “indie” movies, aka movies that regular moviegoers go “what? Who?” to, are Spirits just there to give underrecognized talent, films nominations but never wins except maybe once in a while?

    Plus, what’s an “indie” film these days? It’s gotten so hard for me to differentiate.

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