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    Darlings, Damon >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bale

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    JackO
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    Darlings, Damon >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bale

    TRUE.

    Also this was a fine movie and all but lol @ anyone who thinks this is gonna win BP

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    John Berchmans
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    Time for my review on Ford v Ferrari! Wow, what an incredible film! There’s been so many great film’s this year, and they just keep coming. I’m not surprised at how much I enjoyed the film, but I am surprised at how much I liked the story. I was expecting this film to be very safe and cliche’d in how its plot progresses, but it actually packs some pretty huge surprises, especially at the end of the film, which I’ll talk about later. But it’s not your typical biopic formula. We get our “corporate execs vs the common man” plotline, but we also root for Ford the company because of Henry Ford the second and his characterization, so you still want them to win over Ferrari. But we also understand Enzo’s motivations and why he doesn’t like Ford. So there aren’t really any villains in the film (except for the Paul from Bohemian Rhapsody business exec, and even then he doesn’t have much of an impact on the film’s plot), just characters we root for more than others. It also takes place over a pretty small window of time compared to most biopics, and doesn’t make too many changes to the true story. Even the ones they do make work because the outcome is still the same as it was for real. And there’s surprisingly a lot of failure in this film, more than I expected. I think my favorite thing about the plot of the film is how it sets up it’s moments of payoff later in the film. Like when Ken Miles is talking to his son about the perfect lap, or when we see him almost die from the crash. They all pay off in different ways than expected. There’s even a red herring with Carroll Shelby and the pills that you expect to pay off, but doesn’t.

    The acting in this film is very strong too. Christian Bale is phenomenal in this film. He pours so much heart and soul into his performance that, even when he’s being an asshole, you still can’t help but like him and root for him, especially since he gets so much shit thrown at him. I think he has a strong shot at an Oscar nomination, even with how competitive this year is for that category. Damon is also really great in the film too. He gets to have some excellent monologues and nails a lot of the film’s strongest emotional moments. Tracy Lettis is hilarious in the few appearances he gets. If you want to know the definition of a scene-stealer, it’s this character. Even Caitriona Balfe and Noah Jupe’s characters, despite the fact that they feel a bit sidelined and are always sharing screentime with Ken Miles or each other, are greta when they show up. And Jon Bernthal is doing a good job playing way against his usual type.

    Of course I have to talk about the action of this film. When you’re making a racing biopic, you have to have great action, and this film absolutely delivers on that front. They are white-knuckled, high octane action, and will have you on the edge of your seat, especially if you don’t know the historical outcome of those events. I’m convinced that this film will win Best Film Editing and Best Sound Mixing after seeing the film, and probably Best Sound Editing as well. the Academy loves to award these awards to films with action (Mad Max Fury Road, Hacksaw Ridge, Dunkirk, etc) and this will probably be the most action packed Best Picture nominee of the year. Credit to James Mangold for directing these intense sequences using as minimal CGI as possible and sticking almost fully practical. It would have been so easy to go the opposite route. And yet another film with phenomenal Cinematography! What a blessed year for beautifully shot films.

    Now I have to talk about that ending. SPOILERS FOR REAL LIFE! When I realized what they were going to do, my jaw dropped. Because I did know the outcome of Le Mans 66. I had even said before the film came out that it would be awesome if that was the story they adapted, but I figured “no, they’ll just play it safe and let him win”. The way the end of the race plays out is a bit different than what happened in real life, but the outcome is still the same. And the best part about it is that it doesn’t feel sad. We see that all ken Miles really wanted was the perfect lap, not the victory. And that’s why he let off the gas and chose to be a team player, growing as a character. I’m also surprised they showed Ken’s death in the film instead of just mentioning it at the end. That was really touching.

    My only real problems with the film are that it’s a bit hard to follow if you don’t know all of the real life events (like I didn’t realize they were in Le Mans in 1965 until after it happened), and the gender politics are a bit regressive, but that’s an unavoidable problem when there’s only one female character tied the event you’re adapting. I actually didn’t have a problem with the pacing at all, which a lot of people did. This film was great, one of my favorites of the year! Great performances, great action, and a far better story than I expected!

    Final rating

    For Your Consideration:

    Best Picture: Parasite, Jojo Rabbit, Joker, Ford v Ferrari
    Best Director: Bong-Joon Ho, Taika Waititi, Todd Phillips
    Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix, Robert Pattinson, Roman Griffin Davis, Christian Bale
    Best Actress: Lupita Nyong'o
    Best Supporting Actor: Willem Dafoe, Song Kang-Ho, Sam Rockwell, Al Pacino
    Best Supporting Actress: Thomasin McKensie, Cho Yeo-Jeong
    Best Adapted Screenplay: Jojo Rabbit, Joker
    Best Original Screenplay: Parasite, Ford v Ferrari

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    Once upon a time, I had “Ford v Ferrari” winning Best Picture. I thought the great critical reception out of Telluride, two bonafide stars in the lead roles, a good release date and a topic that would appeal to a large swath of the “old Academy” would really work in the film’s favor. Let’s be clear, I still believe all of that. Yet I’m still not sure where the film will fall into this awards race. This is the type of film the Academy would have gone nuts over a few decades ago, and while that does not mean it is not a good film now (I should probably mention here that I really liked it!), it does seem like something the Academy has aged out of. Then again, this body gave “Green Book” the win last year, so I find myself running in circles when trying to determine if this film can go the distance. One of the reasons I eventually knocked “FvF” down my nominations predictions and eventually completely off the list was because it felt like the buzz had died. Then this weekend, it opened to $30 million at the box office. That’s the kind of thing that could give this movie a huge boost in the race. I’m struggling to figure out if it is in the race or will settle for technical nominations. Let me move past that to simply say that the technical nominations will be very well deserved and that this is a good movie anchored by two really solid performances from Damon and Bale. The screenplay is fine but is nearly derailed by whatever they were doing with Josh Lucas’ character and the last fifteen minutes of the film that do not pack the emotional punch I expected. It’s a good film, and I think it could have a place in awards season, but I’m not making any calls just yet.

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    Once upon a time, I had “Ford v Ferrari” winning Best Picture. I thought the great critical reception out of Telluride, two bonafide stars in the lead roles, a good release date and a topic that would appeal to a large swath of the “old Academy” would really work in the film’s favor. Let’s be clear, I still believe all of that. Yet I’m still not sure where the film will fall into this awards race. This is the type of film the Academy would have gone nuts over a few decades ago, and while that does not mean it is not a good film now (I should probably mention here that I really liked it!), it does seem like something the Academy has aged out of. Then again, this body gave “Green Book” the win last year, so I find myself running in circles when trying to determine if this film can go the distance. One of the reasons I eventually knocked “FvF” down my nominations predictions and eventually completely off the list was because it felt like the buzz had died. Then this weekend, it opened to $30 million at the box office. That’s the kind of thing that could give this movie a huge boost in the race. I’m struggling to figure out if it is in the race or will settle for technical nominations. Let me move past that to simply say that the technical nominations will be very well deserved and that this is a good movie anchored by two really solid performances from Damon and Bale. The screenplay is fine but is nearly derailed by whatever they were doing with Josh Lucas’ character and the last fifteen minutes of the film that do not pack the emotional punch I expected. It’s a good film, and I think it could have a place in awards season, but I’m not making any calls just yet.

    Many of your reservations are the same as mine. And I think Damon is as capable as Bale in certain ways.
    We both know that box office isn’t such a big deal in the larger perspective. It also doesn’t have that “deep meaning” gravitas that the Academy seems to think films need. And Mangold doesnt have thst “legendary” status the others do.
    I’m not hoping it misses but that’s why I’m hesitating.

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    This film was much better than I expected. It was quite entertaining, electrifying, nerve-wracking and somehow harrowing.

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    Hinrich689
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    I still believe that this could be a strong BP contender just because it is crowd-pleasing and more accessible unlike the 3-hour The Irishman and Once Upon a Time In Hollywood. I would be sad if it doesn’t happen though.

    Oscars FYC:
    Ford v Ferrari - Picture, Editing, Cinematography, Sound
    The Farewell - Picture, Actress, Supporting Actress
    The Lighthouse - Supporting Actor, Cinematography
    A Hidden Life - Cinematography

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    Lol I forgot to check-in on this thread after the I saw the film.

    Last line of my review? “I hate cinema.” This was just terrible mediocrity all around. That weird sort of mediocrity where everyone involved should know at least a little better; but, maybe not. This isn’t garbage, either, which is maybe why I hate this so much. If it had been garbage it probably would have been more fun. Why was this not fun?

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    JackO
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    Lol I forgot to check-in on this thread after the I saw the film.

    Last line of my review? “I hate cinema.” This was just terrible mediocrity all around. That weird sort of mediocrity where everyone involved should know at least a little better; but, maybe not. This isn’t garbage, either, which is maybe why I hate this so much. If it had been garbage it probably would have been more fun. Why was this not fun?

    yeah I dont get all the people online losing their minds over this. It’s basic as hell. But you gotta remember, everything Disney gets overhyped nowadays, see Marvel. Not sure all of it is organic.

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    John Berchmans
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    yeah I dont get all the people online losing their minds over this. It’s basic as hell. But you gotta remember, everything Disney gets overhyped nowadays, see Marvel. Not sure all of it is organic.

    I didn’t find it basic at all. Just the ending alone was a huge gut punch that I didn’t see coming. But even the rest of the story does a good job steering clear of the cliches and plot contrievances you usually get with these types of films. That, plus the great racing sequences and strong performances, made it a greta film for me.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best Picture: Parasite, Jojo Rabbit, Joker, Ford v Ferrari
    Best Director: Bong-Joon Ho, Taika Waititi, Todd Phillips
    Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix, Robert Pattinson, Roman Griffin Davis, Christian Bale
    Best Actress: Lupita Nyong'o
    Best Supporting Actor: Willem Dafoe, Song Kang-Ho, Sam Rockwell, Al Pacino
    Best Supporting Actress: Thomasin McKensie, Cho Yeo-Jeong
    Best Adapted Screenplay: Jojo Rabbit, Joker
    Best Original Screenplay: Parasite, Ford v Ferrari

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    Mediocre at best.  This is Disney’s live action remake of Cars.

    Damon is better than Bale.

    The most “ok, boomer” movie of the year. This won’t make it into Best Picture.

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    I didn’t find it basic at all. Just the ending alone was a huge gut punch that I didn’t see coming. But even the rest of the story does a good job steering clear of the cliches and plot contrievances you usually get with these types of films. That, plus the great racing sequences and strong performances, made it a greta film for me.

    Is it up to the level of Grand Prix? I probably would believe you if you said yes and even better….kidding, kidding, sort of…

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    This is Disney’s live action remake of Cars. […] The most “ok, boomer” movie of the year.

    I just screamed so loud lmao.

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    The fact that this even has a (small) chance of winning BP tells you everything you need to know about the state of US cinema, especially in comparison to the excellent TV being put out.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best International Feature: Instinct (The Netherlands)
    Best Actress: Carice van Houten (Instinct)

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    The fact that this even has a (small) chance of winning BP tells you everything you need to know about the state of US cinema, especially in comparison to the excellent TV being put out.

    I don’t think there’s a chance for the win at all. The only question is will it get nominated, specifically in picture, actor, director, and screenplay. Supporting actor is not happening.

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