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    Do you think Mahershala Ali woold’ve won if he’d gone lead? Do you think Viggo Mortensen would’ve won if he’d gone Supporting? What are your thoughts?

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    Viggo’s not winning over the fantastic Richard E. Grant.

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    In the extremely unlikely event that something like this ever would have happened, Ali would’ve been nominated but lost to Rami Malek, just like Viggo, and Viggo would’ve won the Oscar, just like Ali.

    The sad thing is, if Ali allowed himself to be submitted in lead, both would’ve made the cut, which could’ve potentially served as a signal that its okay for major films to take that risk. Ali’s leading turn winning in supporting just emphasizes the idea that moving the slightly smaller lead down will only make your film more successful come awards season.

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    I personally wish Baumbach rushed to release MARRIAGE STORY (because I think it was already done around early 2018) because I think Driver would’ve won handily over Malek….God, I hope he would have. Then, he could’ve been a double nominee along with Blackkklansman and it could’ve propelled his narrative.

    As it stands, I feel like Malek still would’ve beaten Ali but I do wonder what would’ve happened if Mortensen were in Supporting…frankly, I think Grant might’ve carried day…as he should have anyways.

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    I personally wish Baumbach rushed to release MARRIAGE STORY (because I think it was already done around early 2018) because I think Driver would’ve won handily over Malek….God, I hope he would have. Then, he could’ve been a double nominee along with Blackkklansman and it could’ve propelled his narrative. As it stands, I feel like Malek still would’ve beaten Ali but I do wonder what would’ve happened if Mortensen were in Supporting…frankly, I think Grant might’ve carried day…as he should have anyways.

    Yeah Marriage Story was shot early 2018 but Baumbach is famously slow at finishing movies.

    And yeah Driver would have definitely had a strong shot at it last year but Malek did have that classic combo of playing a real person, and that person being dead. It’s a ‘most acting’ performance rather than a ‘best acting’ performance and the Academy loves to reward those.

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    Probably both would have been nodded, and Viggo winning in supporting. Then both would have an Oscar in supporting (Ali wouldn’t have won in lead), and “Green Book” has its accompanying acting win in BP.

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    I personally wish Baumbach rushed to release MARRIAGE STORY (because I think it was already done around early 2018) because I think Driver would’ve won handily over Malek….God, I hope he would have. Then, he could’ve been a double nominee along with Blackkklansman and it could’ve propelled his narrative. As it stands, I feel like Malek still would’ve beaten Ali but I do wonder what would’ve happened if Mortensen were in Supporting…frankly, I think Grant might’ve carried day…as he should have anyways.

    A man playing a divorcee can never beat a Freddie Mercury impersonation in a box office hit. Maybe Adam Driver wouldn’t even have been nominated for his overrated performance. He got in this year not because he gave such a great performance, but because his other competitors were from movies with little or no hype, movies without serious award traction. Christian Bale, Rami Malek, Bradley Cooper and Viggo Mortensen were locked. Willem Defoe was the passion pick. Driver would have only be fighting for that last spot and they would have skipped him since he was getting in for Blackkklansman. Scarlett Johansson and Laura Dern would have had zero chances at nominations

    Andra Day should be winning Best Actress

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    I know people love Grant’s performance, but if he lost to Ali, he would’ve lost to Viggo.

    A man playing a divorcee can never beat a Freddie Mercury impersonation in a box office hit. Maybe Adam Driver wouldn’t even have been nominated for his overrated performance. He got in this year not because he gave such a great performance, but because his other competitors were from movies with little or no hype, movies without serious award traction. Christian Bale, Rami Malek, Bradley Cooper and Viggo Mortensen were locked. Willem Defoe was the passion pick. Driver would have only be fighting for that last spot and they would have skipped him since he was getting in for Blackkklansman. Scarlett Johansson and Laura Dern would have had zero chances at nominations

    Your bias is completely fueling this post. Are you seriously implying that last year’s Best Actor was a stronger lineup than this year’s? Cause you’re probably the only person I’ve ever heard say so. Driver’s performance was critically adored, and better received than all of last year’s nominees. Malek would’ve won anyway because of the overwhelming love for Freddie Mercury, but Driver absolutely would’ve been a lock for a nomination and would’ve come in second place. Those actors you mentioned were locks because last year’s lineup was so sparse there was no possible way they were gonna get snubbed. Meanwhile, Driver was not only considered a lock, but for a long time was seen as a co-frontrunner alongside Phoenix. The idea of such a beloved performance not making such a weak lineup is absolutely ridiculous.

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    Driver would have definitely been nominated but no one was going to beat Rami

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    A man playing a divorcee can never beat a Freddie Mercury impersonation in a box office hit. Maybe Adam Driver wouldn’t even have been nominated for his overrated performance. He got in this year not because he gave such a great performance, but because his other competitors were from movies with little or no hype, movies without serious award traction. Christian Bale, Rami Malek, Bradley Cooper and Viggo Mortensen were locked. Willem Defoe was the passion pick. Driver would have only be fighting for that last spot and they would have skipped him since he was getting in for Blackkklansman. Scarlett Johansson and Laura Dern would have had zero chances at nominations

    Arguing that last year’s Best Actor lineup was stronger than this year’s is just objectively false. In this year, Bradley Cooper, Rami Malek, Viggo Mortenson, and Christian Bale would not have all been locks. I think at least two of them, maybe more, would have missed out. Adam Driver would have beaten all of them to a nomination: his performance had more acclaim and critic awards. And unlike Ethan Hawke he had a strong film.

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    Driver would have definitely been nominated but no one was going to beat Rami

    Sadly true. I wish that Joker came out last year, as I think Joaquin would’ve been able to beat him. Both Joker and Bohemian Rhapsody got mixed reviews, but Joker’s were better, Joaquin’s performance was more acclaimed by both critics and audiences, and the film was a bigger financial success, even though it had an R rating. After Phoenix’s success this year, I think he definitely could’ve pulled it off. And if he won last year, that means Driver would’ve pulled off a win this year (not to mention that open spot means Taron Egerton might’ve made the cut).

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    Sadly true. I wish that Joker came out last year, as I think Joaquin would’ve been able to beat him. Both Joker and Bohemian Rhapsody got mixed reviews, but Joker’s were better, Joaquin’s performance was more acclaimed by both critics and audiences, and the film was a bigger financial success, even though it had an R rating. After Phoenix’s success this year, I think he definitely could’ve pulled it off. And if he won last year, that means Driver would’ve pulled off a win this year (not to mention that open spot means Taron Egerton might’ve made the cut).

    Phoenix wouldn’t have beaten Rami last year. For one, Freddie M is more beloved by voters than the Joker character.

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    Phoenix wouldn’t have beaten Rami last year. For one, Freddie M is more beloved by voters than the Joker character.

    I know Mercury is more beloved, Phoenix’s scenario this year was pretty similar. An iconic role in a film that got mixed reviews but still managed to be a box office smash. Joker had Bohemian Rhapsody beat in everything but the role, as the film was better received, the lead was better received, the box office was stronger, the cultural impact was stronger, the technical elements were widely praised, and Phoenix is a much more respected actor than Malek. I think Rami could’ve won, but Phoenix would’ve at least given him a fight.

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    I know people love Grant’s performance, but if he lost to Ali, he would’ve lost to Viggo. Your bias is completely fueling this post. Are you seriously implying that last year’s Best Actor was a stronger lineup than this year’s? Cause you’re probably the only person I’ve ever heard say so. Driver’s performance was critically adored, and better received than all of last year’s nominees. Malek would’ve won anyway because of the overwhelming love for Freddie Mercury, but Driver absolutely would’ve been a lock for a nomination and would’ve come in second place. Those actors you mentioned were locks because last year’s lineup was so sparse there was no possible way they were gonna get snubbed. Meanwhile, Driver was not only considered a lock, but for a long time was seen as a co-frontrunner alongside Phoenix. The idea of such a beloved performance not making such a weak lineup is absolutely ridiculous.

    last year’s line up wasn’t better but y’all need to stop acting like Adam Driver gave such a powerhouse performance when he couldn’t even win a single precursor. He wouldn’t have had a chance last year. His performance isn’t the type that wins serious awards. Just like Willem Dafoe for The Florida Project, critics got it wrong with Adam Driver. He did nothing award worthy

    Andra Day should be winning Best Actress

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    Mortensen wins since voters cared so little about the others anyway by voting for Ali.

    Then Ali obviously loses in lead.

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