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  • Sam_Malone
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    I suppose every now and then a situation like this may arise. Marcia Gay Harden won in 2000 without much precursor support and it felt like her only threat was Kate Hudson and nobody was eager to award her.

    The situation this year was similar – King’s only threat was Weisz and it didn’t feel like anybody wanted to give her a second Oscar for The Favourite. To me, all the support for Weisz in the last weeks felt very very forced, like, there must be somebody besides King who will win now and Weisz was the obvious choice (Adams was never going to happen – it seems to me that nobody really liked Vice). Yes, she won the BAFTA, but that was a no-brainer.

    I have not seen any of the nominees, so I will not comment on the quality of their work. However, I will mention that I liked King’s humble speech and her look – very glamorous Old Hollywood!

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    I will never understand why SAG snubbed her.

    I remember how some insiders (GD members) were saying that as soon as Colman announced that she was going lead, the discussion shifted to Regina instead of Amy which surprised and pleased me at the same time. There was a lot of talk in the industry to give her an Oscar and the critically acclaimed, art house drama by Oscar winning Barry Jenkins was the PERFECT occasion to do that.  Then she started sweeping the critics awards, only leaving some pieces to Weisz and leaving Adams and Stone in the dust.

    Then she was left off the SAG shortlist which to this day still doesn’t make any sense. Yet she kept fighting, won the GG and CC and wisely used her speeches to keep her campaign afloat.

    A SAG member also revealed that many of them were voting for Blunt out of spite for the other nominees since they couldn’t vote for Regina. Blunt winning the award ended the Amy momentum that never really started. At this point, only Weisz could compete. But then again her BAFTA win was a no brainer. She had never won before and was caught up in the Favourite inevitable BAFTA sweep, much like Bonham Carter in 2011. And Stone obviously siphoned many Oscar votes from her anyway.

    The passion for Regina was ALWAYS there. Her performance was the most honored of the year and she won every televised award she was nominated for. The fact that many SAG voters launched that secret bts campaign to give Blunt the award in order to boost Regina’s chances is very telling.

    She also campaigned like a pro because she actually had interesting things to say.

    Also, SAG really kinda flopped this year. Gave Ensemble to a filler BP nominee, didn’t nominate the two BP frontrunners, failed to get Glenn to her Oscar glory and felt forced to give Supporting Actress to a performance that wasn’t nominated anywhere else because they realized they FUCKED UP and by not nominating the performance that actually WON everywhere else. L o l

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    The more I think about it, the more I realize how great and important her win is.

    There has been a lot of discussion about the roles given to Black women in Hollywood. When you look at the Black female oscar-winning roles, most of them were stereotypical (which doesn’t change the fact that most of these performances are great)

    Hattie McDaniel : Typical mammy. I mean, that’s literally how they call her.

    Whoopi Goldberg : The “magical negro” meant to entertain white audiences. This said, this one is in the upper-end, especially since the other characters would be nothing without her.

    Halle Berry : Jesus. This one is easily the worst and most demeaning. A poor, uneducated, hypersexualized abusive mother who literally falls for the racist white cop who executed her inmate husband. It’s like they just said fuck it and compiled all the worst stereotypes on black women.

    Jennifer Hudson : This one doesn’t really go beyond the big voiced, church black girl but it wasn’t much problematic imo.

    Mo’Nique : An abusive, extremely violent and vulgar abusive mother who would rather torment her daughter than standing up to her rapist man. This said, that needed to be shown and her performance was so powerful that i’ll always cherish this win.

    Octavia Spencer : A sass talking maid

    Lupita N’yongo : A tortured slave

    Viola Davis : This one wasn’t really stereotypical. The theme of the loyal housewife who gave up on her dreams to stay loyal to her husband isn’t exclusive to black women

    And then we have Regina. A loving, brave, supportive matriarch, who appears to be equal to her husband. She fights for her daughter, her grandson and son in law. Even if she ultimately fails, everything she said and did in this movie was very inspiring and held so much power. I think this explains why her performance was so acclaimed. Regina may not have given the best performance per se, but she surely had the best role.

    I think this win was very important and will inspire many filmmakers to write better roles for black actresses.

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    It was just the inexplicable whims of the SAG nominations committee. Another committee might (and likely) would have chosen King. The full membership would have done that. Without her in the lineup, they picked a non-Oscar nominee as the winner, telling us that this is primarily a place-holder until the Oscars. Weisz and Stone were both former Oscar winners and splitting their votes. Adams was never winning for this role. de Tavira was the one I was worried about being the surprise nominee, but we see now that voters liked “Roma,” but didn’t love it. So King it is then. Maybe it shouldn’t have seemed like such a contested race in hindsight, but the SAGS and BAFTAs messed things up this year. The Globes seem to be the one to listen to now. Glad I stuck with King to the end!

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    It was just the inexplicable whims of the SAG nominations committee. Another committee might (and likely) would have chosen King. The full membership would have done that. Without her in the lineup, they picked a non-Oscar nominee as the winner, telling us that this is primarily a place-holder until the Oscars. Weisz and Stone were both former Oscar winners and splitting their votes. Adams was never winning for this role. de Tavira was the one I was worried about being the surprise nominee, but we see now that voters liked “Roma,” but didn’t love it. So King it is then. Maybe it shouldn’t have seemed like such a contested race in hindsight, but the SAGS and BAFTAs messed things up this year. The Globes seem to be the one to listen to now. Glad I stuck with King to the end!

    de Tavira was never going to win, even if Roma did win Best Picture. For her to win would just break too way many rules and be completely unprecedented in a way that even King’s wasn’t. Her nomination will certainly help her find work in Hollywood though, same with Yalitza assuming she continues acting.

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    The more I think about it, the more I realize how great and important her win is.

    There has been a lot of discussion about the roles given to Black women in Hollywood. When you look at the Black female oscar-winning roles, most of them were stereotypical (which doesn’t change the fact that most of these performances are great)

    Hattie McDaniel : Typical mammy. I mean, that’s literally how they call her.

    Whoopi Goldberg : The “magical negro” meant to entertain white audiences. This said, this one is in the upper-end, especially since the other characters would be nothing without her.

    Halle Berry : Jesus. This one is easily the worst and most demeaning. A poor, uneducated, hypersexualized abusive mother who literally falls for a racist white cop. It’s like they just said fuck it and compiled all the worst stereotypes on black women.

    Jennifer Hudson : This one doesn’t really go beyond the big voiced, church black girl but it wasn’t much problematic imo.

    Mo’Nique : An abusive, extremely violent and vulgar abusive mother who would rather torment her daughter than standing up to her rapist man. This said, that needed to be shown and her performance was so powerful that i’ll always cherish this win.

    Octavia Spencer : A sass talking maid

    Lupita N’yongo : A tortured slave

    Viola Davis : This one wasn’t really stereotypical. The theme of the loyal housewife who gave up on her dreams to stay loyal to her husband isn’t exclusive to black women

    And then we have Regina. A loving, brave, supportive matriarch, who appears to be equal to her husband. She fights for her daughter, her grandson and son in law. Even if she ultimately fails, everything she said and did in this movie was very inspiring and held so much power. I think this explains why her performance was so acclaimed. Regina may not have given the best performance per se, but she surely had the best role.

    I think this win was very important and will inspire many filmmakers to write better roles for black actresses.

    Amen and well put

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    After having finally seen If Beale Street Could Talk I have to say I have a lot of mixed feelings. Regina definitely does have some beautiful moments but the film itself is so maudlin and her role is so painfully one dimensional. Some of her line readings feel so cringe worthy and it’s frustrating that King can’t get beyond her material as she really does have the talent to make an amazing part out of this but the film boxes her in and holds her back. There is still stuff to admire about the performance though.

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    After having finally seen If Beale Street Could Talk I have to say I have a lot of mixed feelings. Regina definitely does have some beautiful moments but the film itself is so maudlin and her role is so painfully one dimensional. Some of her line readings feel so cringe worthy and it’s frustrating that King can’t get beyond her material as she really does have the talent to make an amazing part out of this but the film boxes her in and holds her back. There is still stuff to admire about the performance though.

    You blame the movie for faults in her performance? Jenkins’ movies showcase who can and who can’t.

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    The more I think about it, the more I realize how great and important her win is.

    There has been a lot of discussion about the roles given to Black women in Hollywood. When you look at the Black female oscar-winning roles, most of them were stereotypical (which doesn’t change the fact that most of these performances are great)

    Hattie McDaniel : Typical mammy. I mean, that’s literally how they call her.

    Whoopi Goldberg : The “magical negro” meant to entertain white audiences. This said, this one is in the upper-end, especially since the other characters would be nothing without her.

    Halle Berry : Jesus. This one is easily the worst and most demeaning. A poor, uneducated, hypersexualized abusive mother who literally falls for the racist white cop who executed her inmate husband. It’s like they just said fuck it and compiled all the worst stereotypes on black women.

    Jennifer Hudson : This one doesn’t really go beyond the big voiced, church black girl but it wasn’t much problematic imo.

    Mo’Nique : An abusive, extremely violent and vulgar abusive mother who would rather torment her daughter than standing up to her rapist man. This said, that needed to be shown and her performance was so powerful that i’ll always cherish this win.

    Octavia Spencer : A sass talking maid

    Lupita N’yongo : A tortured slave

    Viola Davis : This one wasn’t really stereotypical. The theme of the loyal housewife who gave up on her dreams to stay loyal to her husband isn’t exclusive to black women

    And then we have Regina. A loving, brave, supportive matriarch, who appears to be equal to her husband. She fights for her daughter, her grandson and son in law. Even if she ultimately fails, everything she said and did in this movie was very inspiring and held so much power. I think this explains why her performance was so acclaimed. Regina may not have given the best performance per se, but she surely had the best role.

    I think this win was very important and will inspire many filmmakers to write better roles for black actresses.

    Wow, what a demeaning way to undermine the few Black women who’ve actually won Oscars. Had all of these roles been played by Meryl Streep, Nicole Kidman, or Cate Blanchett, no one would be giving thumbs up to your comments.

    But as Black people, we have a tendency to over analyze our portrayals. Which is understandable. Considering the lack of representation we’ve had in the past.

    Yet, it’s disheartening to see these particular roles dismissed based on stereotypical notions of race and outside the context of each of their films.

    We [as in Black ppl] have many stories to tell. Good and bad. The women who won DESERVED their recognition. People have a right to disagree on the quality of a performance. But to simplify some of their work down to being lazy caricatures of women of color is an injustice to objective criticism…and kind of racist. :/

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    You blame the movie for faults in her performance? Jenkins’ movies showcase who can and who can’t.

    An actor only can do so much with limited material to work with and King is unfortunately held back by the material. That’s my opinion.

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    Because she gave the best performance in the category in the best film of the category.

    Plus everyone loves her, she’s worked hard to get to where she is now.

    And she’s Regina effing King.

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    Some of her line readings feel so cringe worthy

    Which line readings? I don’t mean to seem hostile but I honestly can’t begin to imagine which ones you mean.

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    Because she gave the best performance in the category in the best film of the category. Plus everyone loves her, she’s worked hard to get to where she is now. And she’s Regina effing King.

    Rachel Weisz was miles better than her. I’m sorry but her performance was nothing special. She’s an AMAZING actress, but in this film she was simply… boring.

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    Rachel Weisz was miles better than her. I’m sorry but her performance was nothing special. She’s an AMAZING actress, but in this film she was simply… boring.

    What else did you think Regina should do in the movie?

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    Which line readings? I don’t mean to seem hostile but I honestly can’t begin to imagine which ones you mean.

    Some of her line readings in the scene with Victoria among others- it’s not her fault though but the fact that the dialogue seems so maudlin.

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