February 25, 2019 at 9:57 pm #1202795124
Why is this discussion even being addressed? Just because ROMA lost? Kris Tapley now wants to do away with the Preferential ballot. Because his favorite film lost the Oscar. Like when all Democrats wanted the electoral vote to go, because Hilary Clinton lost. That’s not how life works. There is nothing wrong with the Preferential ballot. It honors the most liked, the preferred choice. It has been for 8 years now. Let it go.
In college, I wrote a huge paper advocating for getting rid of the electoral college like 10 years before 2016. Many people have been advocating for that for decades as it outlived it’s original purpose and is undemocratic artificially raising the power of individual voters in smaller states and violating equal protection and the concept of one person-one vote. The reason it seems like only Dems advocate for it is because it becomes a mainstream issue when the EC vote diverges from the popular vote which only happened twice in modern history and the Dem candidate got the popular vote. There are some who don’t advocate for getting rid of it because they recognize how difficult it is and how some institutions want it to more easily keep its power, so instead they advocate for expanding the number of House of Representatives to make them much more representative of the population so that one rep isn’t representing so many people compared to how it used to be and thus more districts and more populations will get their own reps to better represent their communities….thus expanding the number of electors over all to a number that makes more sense since the 435 limit on the House of Reps is arbitrary anyway.February 26, 2019 at 1:41 am #1202795266
If you want a widely loved but also hated to win, get rid of the preferential ballot. If you don’t want a horrible wtf choice to win, keep it.
The preferential ballot means Best Picture goes to the film that has the highest total of #1 + 2 + 3, maybe 4th or 5th choice, which is a consensus of the least hated film. Don’t let all the critics articles and social media posts and blogs fool you, because the Academy loved Green Book. Despite all the outside controversies and condemnation, it still got a consensus vote. Think about it this way, at least half the Academy thought Green Book was among their top films, even with seven other contenders. The Academy had invited about a 1000 more members of diverse race and gender in 2015-16, and Moonlight won Best Picture, they added almost 800 in 2017 and The Shape of Water won, and they added more than 900 last year, and Green Book won. So let’s forget the whole nonsense that only older white men voted for Green Book.
We can speculate all we want whether Roma would have won on a popularity ballot. But look at the People’s Choice Award at the Toronto International Film Festival and the National Board of Review where Green Book beat Roma twice in popularity ballots, compared to Roma’s wins at the BAFTAs and Critics Choice. So, I wouldn’t say that this would obviously been Roma’s to win.February 26, 2019 at 2:16 am #1202795298
How did Bohemian Rhapsody over perform? It was a lock for sound mixing and Lead Actor and was one of the frontrunners for Film Editing and was a strong contender for Sound Editing. Just because it ended up with the most Oscars last night doesn’t mean it stood a chance of winning.
Yep, the Oscars that Bohemian Rhapsody won were for very specific reasons, similar to Whiplash. I didn’t predict it to win Film Editing or Sound Editing, but I knew that it could. Its win total has little to do with its chances in Best Picture, which were still negligible without directing or writing nominations, with or without the preferential ballot. This isn’t the Globes.February 26, 2019 at 7:00 am #1202795517
I love it when a post says “I know this would have happened…” or “It probably would have won even if…” Ummm… no you don’t KNOW what would have happened because it DIDN’T happen. No one knows for sure what movie would have won under the old system. It’s all guesses and opinions taken out of your ass-hole. La La Land or The Revenant could have won under the old system or MAYBE NOT, but no one knows for sure. Who cares? If a movie you didn’t like would have won under the old system then you would be screaming to go back to the preferential ballot. Get over it. Morons.February 26, 2019 at 8:14 am #1202795625
Good god. People do not like others to discuss their own opinion on the preferential ballot. But I guess that’s GoldDerby.February 26, 2019 at 10:08 am #1202795744
I wasn’t surprised when they announced the winner, because, if you remember the infamous anonymous ballots, Green Book was figuring on the top 3 of every ballot. The thing is, pundits and people are still picking the winner based on passion, overlooking the preferential ballot scheme. And I do believe Roma was a divisive movie. For example, on those ballots, some voters complained about the language spoken. And all the streaming service controversy; BAFTA was criticized for give the BP prize to Roma. Also, the movie was missed out on an editing nomination and Green Book won the PGA. The signs were all there. And we cannot forget the massive campaign launched by Netflix. This could, partly, explain all the passion for Roma.March 2, 2019 at 3:34 am #1202801179
A majority of people placed Green Book above Roma on their ballot. I think voting wise, it was worthy of the Best Picture win.May 14, 2019 at 9:47 pm #1202894402
What’s it going to take to get rid of the preferential ballot? I think it needs to be done away with as the winner take all system is used everywhere else. It should just be a consensus on who wins for everything and that’s it.
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