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    The reason why I don’t equate the proposed Oscars audience award to Sundance and Toronto is that everyone who is at Sundance and Toronto and other festivals of its kind is there to see the movies, paid a lot of money to be there, and are seriously invested in film.

    That’s why my idea requires you to see at least 20 films in a year. If you want to vote for the Oscars, you have to put the time and money to see the films.

    26.6 million people watched the Oscars last year. That’s by far the lowest. That’s an epic disaster.

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    That’s why my idea requires you to see at least 20 films in a year. If you want to vote for the Oscars, you have to put the time and money to see the films.

    26.6 million people watched the Oscars last year. That’s by far the lowest. That’s an epic disaster.

    1. I’d prefer if that was bumped up to like 50 or even 100 films, just take make sure people are actually engaging with the film industry and not just seeing every big franchise film (Marvel/DC/ Star Wars/Disney).

    2. I’m sure 26.6 million is the lowest Oscar viewership and isn’t great for ABC, but I wouldn’t call it an epic disaster. It’s more viewers than any TV series received in ten years. Shorting the show only shortens the time for commercials. It’s not like someone will say “Oh, the Oscars are only 3 hours instead of 3 1/2. And they have the producers of some of my favorite films – Kathleen Kennedy, Kevin Feige, Frank Marshall! I’ll definitely watch now!”

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    1. I’d prefer if that was bumped up to like 50 or even 100 films, just take make sure people are actually engaging with the film industry and not just seeing every big franchise film (Marvel/DC/ Star Wars/Disney).

    That’s a bit unrealistic. There are 52 weeks in the year. January to May 1st is mostly a throwaway season. I highly doubt the Academy sees 50-100 films in a season.

    20-30 range works the best in my view. You need to see at least 10, but you shouldn’t be obligated to see junky films. If you look at all the Golden Globe and Critics Choice awards (the ones that influence the Academy most), there are between 20-30 of them in the acting, directing, writing, and picture categories.

    But I do agree, they do need to see something more than the latest Superhero/Disney/Twilight/50 Shades/sequel, even though it’s a mainstream film category. That’s why we need to set something like 20-30, so they can still see those movies, but at the same time, see some original material.

    2. I’m sure 26.6 million is the lowest Oscar viewership and isn’t great for ABC, but I wouldn’t call it an epic disaster. It’s more viewers than any TV series received in ten years. Shorting the show only shortens the time for commercials. It’s not like someone will say “Oh, the Oscars are only 3 hours instead of 3 1/2. And they have the producers of some of my favorite films – Kathleen Kennedy, Kevin Feige, Frank Marshall! I’ll definitely watch now!”

    It’s an epic disaster. That’s easily a historic low. Before this year, the lowest rated show was about 32 million. Ratings have been on the decline since 2014. That’s five straight seasons of losing viewership.

    Yes, it’s more than most TV viewership, but we’re still looking at noteworthy drops. It’s important to stop the bleeding.

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    And how are u going to vouch that u have seen the 20-30 films? Have the members scan their Movie tickets or receipts? This is just the Academy award, not airport security. It’s not that serious lol

    and if it’s just like a T&C. Ur just going to box it and agree lol.

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    GMonty777
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    And how are u going to vouch that u have seen the 20-30 films? Have the members scan their Movie tickets or receipts? This is just the Academy award, not airport security. It’s not that serious lol

    and if it’s just like a T&C. Ur just going to box it and agree lol.

    I have already addressed that.

    You give out an Oscar credit card so to speak. Whenever they purchase a film ticket or redbox film or FandangoNow account, they swipe their card. The card keeps track of the films they saw.

    OR

    you could simply have them pay a fee and go by the honor system. You hope that paying a fee, means you’re going to see as many movies as you can.

    Honestly I don’t see the need to require them to see 50-100 movies per year. It’s a popular film category, as in movies that hit a nerve with the public.

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    The idea would be that this would encourage people to see more movies and more diverse movies (big, small, all genres and countries of origin) and maybe the cream would rise to the top (to make it an interesting slate, even if Black Panther will probably win). So 20 movies is great, but I think you could push people to see more if they want to vote.

    Also, if it was a sort of audience vote, would the audience vote for the nominees and the Academy pick the winner or the Academy provide nominees that the audience would vote on? Or, perhaps the “audience” votes in two rounds – first for the nominations, then for the winner (maybe with preferential voting like the BP race).

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    That Don Guy
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    Here’s my idea:

    – If you want to vote for this category, you have to go online, register, and pay an entrance/membership fee.
    – You must be at least 17 years to be a member.
    – Every member receives a ballot in the mail and must return the ballot via mail or online submission.
    – Voters rank their top 10 films from best to worst. The top 10 films with the most points becomes the nominees.

    I do agree that formatting like the MTV Movie Awards or People’s Choice awards be extremely bad. But it would be interesting to see an “audience award”, where we get to compare the public’s favorite films and the Academy’s favorite films.

    The problem with the “membership fee” idea is, either it’s too small to be meaningful, or it becomes “the rich audience’s award”; besides, it probably still wouldn’t stop studios from creating memberships to rig the vote.
    And how do you enforce the age limit?

    My thought: have the Academy conduct a “people’s vote” (but it has to be a fully open vote – not a survey of “random moviegoers”), but make it clear that it is not an “Academy Award” any more than most of the Scientific & Technical Awards are (and clearly put in the rules that the winning studio cannot claim the film is an “Oscar winner” just for this category), and start the ceremony 10-15 minutes early with this award. Of course, this won’t happen, for one simple reason; the entire point of this category is to have “popular” films actually win a “meaningful” Oscar – but I am in the “It’s not a meaningful Oscar unless it’s under the same voting rules as Best Picture – i.e. only Academy members can vote on it” camp.

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    Pollo crudo
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    What would be the point of voting (and paying to vote) if an action flick or a romantic BS will win anyway? It’s not like PTA or Audiard will win sth

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    Elliot Kronsberg
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    My thought: have the Academy conduct a “people’s vote” (but it has to be a fully open vote – not a survey of “random moviegoers”), but make it clear that it is not an “Academy Award” any more than most of the Scientific & Technical Awards are (and clearly put in the rules that the winning studio cannot claim the film is an “Oscar winner” just for this category), and start the ceremony 10-15 minutes early with this award.

    I think this kind of defeats the whole point of the award if it isn’t a “real” Oscar. I don’t necessarily approve of the award, but I agree that “It’s not a meaningful Oscar unless it’s under the same voting rules as Best Picture – i.e. only Academy members can vote on it.” It’d be great for people to feel like they have some stake in the Oscars, but at the same time, the Academy Awards are not the Teen Choice Awards of People’s Choice Awards. Supposedly the Academy members are supposed to be some arbiters of quality. I don’t think we can have it both ways – a legitimate Oscar and have it voted on by the people. One or the other (or maybe just get rid of the category).

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    No. That’s how you get Hunger Games and Twilight movies as award winners.

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    GMonty777
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    The problem with the “membership fee” idea is, either it’s too small to be meaningful, or it becomes “the rich audience’s award”; besides, it probably still wouldn’t stop studios from creating memberships to rig the vote.
    And how do you enforce the age limit?

    I am not sure if I explained it in this thread or another one, but the idea would center around these concepts:

    1. People would have to go online and register.
    2. Registering means you have to give out your birth date, address, phone number, and your credit/debit information (fee gets paid online under most circumstances).
    3. The ballots would be sent by mail to each member.

    Could studios create dummy accounts? Maybe, but it would be hard to accomplish, seeing as how #2 and #3 are pretty ironclad. This is not like opening up a RottenTomatoes or Yahoo account.

    You could even install a rule saying that studios getting caught with a dummy account forfeits their right to be nominated for the category. So if Disney is caught creating fake accounts, then no Disney film can be nominated for most popular picture.

    I personally would set it less than 20 dollars, and make it cheap for people to join.

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    No. That’s how you get Hunger Games and Twilight movies as award winners.

    All of the Hunger Games films received positive critical reviews and grossed over 100 million at the box-office. I have no issue at all with the Hunger Games getting nominated for a popularity category. I mean, it makes sense right: It’s popular and seen as a quality production.

    The Twilight movies are more geared toward teenagers, particularly teen girls. One of the requirements is age. We’re talking about people starting at the age of at least 17 (17-21 is a good starting range) and willing to go to the cinema.

    The whole point of the category is POPULARITY. Popularity doesn’t mean “must be approved by the Rotten Tomatoes crowd”. Popularity simply means, these are the films people paid money to see and told their friends/family/co-workers about.

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    Oscar ratings are down because 40% of the country is conservative and love Donald Trump. The NFL ratings are down for the same reason. I seriously think that Brokeback Mountain didn’t win Best Picture because they didn’t want to piss those people off. Creating a most popular picture will not help the rating actors stop talking politics will.

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    The One And Only of Gold Derby.
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    I just thought of this:

    For Achievements In Popular Film be a box office achievement.

     

    Example:

    Avengers: Infinity War Being The Fourth Film to Ever Cross 2 Billion Unadjusted

    Black Panther being the Third Film To Ever Cross 700M Domestically Unadjusted

    Incredibles 2 Opening 183M Highest Ever Animated Opening Unadjusted

    The Greatest Showman Legs To 20x Opening Weekend

    Film Achivement Later This Year

     

    That is the truth.

    No exceptions.

    A Rival To Thatcher’s Reign.

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