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  • Jeffrey Kare
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    Within the last two years, the Academy has been doing their best to invite new members that are younger and more diverse. As a result, we’ve been seeing films like Moonlight and The Shape of Water win Best Picture. Not to mention that other films like Get Out become much stronger contenders than you would ever expect.

    All this had me thinking one thing: If Academy members today were voting for the Oscars in previous years, how different do you think some of the results would be?

    Would Star Wars have won over Annie Hall?
    Would Apocalypse Now have won over Kramer vs. Kramer?
    Would Raging Bull have won over Ordinary People?
    Would E.T. have won over Gandhi?
    Would Born on the Fourth of July have won over Driving Miss Daisy?
    Would Goodfellas have won over Dances with Wolves?
    Would Pulp Fiction have won over Forrest Gump?
    Would Fargo have won over The English Patient?
    Would Saving Private Ryan have won over Shakespeare in Love?
    Would Brokeback Mountain have won over Crash?
    Would The Social Network have won over The King’s Speech?

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    Awardsfan1990
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    Saving Private Ryan winning Best Picture probably would have happened at least.

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    Diet Teridax
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    Fun topic Jeffrey Kare, thanks!

    Would Star Wars have won over Annie Hall?

    Yes, but I think Annie Hall would still have won Original Screenplay. I think Star Wars would have won Director but am less confident about that than I am with Picture.

    Would Apocalypse Now have won over Kramer vs. Kramer?

    Hard no, Kramer would have won over Apocalypse Now, but All That Jazz might very well have won over both. The Oscars don’t like to award small heartfelt dramas like Kramer or Ordinary People now, they go for more extravagant and showy films like Birdman and The Shape of Water or for important social issues films like 12 Years a Slave, Moonlight, and Spotlight. I get Kramer was about divorce, but I don’t think it would be viewed as “important” enough to win BP nowadays.

    Would Raging Bull have won over Ordinary People?

    Hell YES. Raging Bull would also have been nominated for Screenplay in addition to its wins for Picture and Director.

    Would E.T. have won over Gandhi?

    E.T. would have won. If they’re evidently open enough to genre flicks to award a film as undeniably weird (love it or hate it) as The Shape of Water then E.T. would probably have swept.

    Would Born on the Fourth of July have won over Driving Miss Daisy?

    I believe My Left Foot might have won simply due to a poll of a few hundred members The Hollywood Reporter did a few years ago where most of the voters polled said they would have voted for the Day-Lewis vehicle. I still think Oliver Stone would have won Director though.

    Would Goodfellas have won over Dances with Wolves?

    Goodfellas might have won, as Dances with Wolves would suffer from the “white savior” backlash. Most likely, as crazy as it sounds, Ghost might have prevailed due to the more emotional narrative, it having been more successful with the Oscars in wins back then, even winning a Screenplay award to go with its Supporting Acting win.

    Would Pulp Fiction have won over Forrest Gump?

    I am completely convinced that The Shawshank Redemption would have won Best Picture in the present day and that it also would have won for Adapted Screenplay, with the snubbed Tim Robbins and Darabont’s Directing getting nominated. Pulp would have won more than it did today, and might have won Director as a consolation prize for it losing Picture. It would have won Film Editing over Forrest Gump for sure.

    Would Fargo have won over The English Patient?

    Fargo would have won, but DAMN that was a weak year for cinema and the Oscars.

    Would Saving Private Ryan have won over Shakespeare in Love?

    Saving Private Ryan would have decimated Shakespeare. The Oscars still love WWII films, look at Dunkirk multiple tech wins, plus Spielberg is a legend, most people seem to love Tom Hanks in general, and for a ton of people it was the more emotionally effective of the 2 even though I liked Shakespeare’s characters more.

    Would Brokeback Mountain have won over Crash?

    Crash would likely not have even been nominated for Best Picture in the present day and if it was it would have only been one of a few nods in total like Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. YES, more than any other film in this list I can GUARANTEE you with so many of the homophobes like Tony Curtis and Ernest Borgnine who admitted to not voting for the film because of its gay subject matter having died off, allowing a film like Moonlight to win BP, Brokeback Mountain would have won Best Picture and it is a strong possibility that Heath Ledger could have even beaten Philip Seymour Hoffman’s Capote. On one hand, we had Gary Oldman just win for a biopic but on the other hand the year before Casey Affleck won an Oscar for a very understated performance.

    Would The Social Network have won over The King’s Speech?

    The Social Network could have won with today’s Academy voters, but it still would have been close. Possibly Toy Story 3 wins Picture solely on passion but David Fincher wins Director as a consolation prize.

    Note to myself: Don’t ever feed the trolls. Don’t get involved in others drama. Don’t let myself be swayed by others predictions, trust my gut more often!

    Note to all others: If you don’t happen to like me, ignore me. It is that simple.

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    Jeffrey Kare
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    I’m also curious to hear about results in other categories. Like would Glenn Close have won Best Actress for Fatal Attraction over Cher in Moonstruck? I’ve always thought that (part of) the reason why Close didn’t win was because her character might’ve been too off-putting for Academy members (especially older ones) to rally around.

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    ENGLAND
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    I’m also curious to hear about results in other categories. Like would Glenn Close have won Best Actress for Fatal Attraction over Cher in Moonstruck? I’ve always thought that (part of) the reason why Close didn’t win was because her character might’ve been too off-putting for Academy members (especially older ones) to rally around.

    Cher probably would have won today as well. The voters today aren’t any better than the ones from back in the old days..

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    Annie Hall is a better movie than Star Wars. Get over it nerds.

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    I’m also curious to hear about results in other categories. Like would Glenn Close have won Best Actress for Fatal Attraction over Cher in Moonstruck? I’ve always thought that (part of) the reason why Close didn’t win was because her character might’ve been too off-putting for Academy members (especially older ones) to rally around.

    Ball busting female characters usually lose. Judy Davis for Husbands and Wives, Close in Fatal Attraction and Dangerous Liaisons, Annette Bening in American Beauty and The Kids Are All Right.

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    Annie Hall is a better movie than Star Wars. Get over it nerds.

    I disagree. A movie’s purpose is to entertain and excite. Star Wars the most entertaining and exciting thing in 1977 by far. It also just happens to be a superior film to Annie Hall.

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    Annie Hall is a better movie than Star Wars. Get over it nerds.

    My honest response to that outrageous comment.

    Note to myself: Don’t ever feed the trolls. Don’t get involved in others drama. Don’t let myself be swayed by others predictions, trust my gut more often!

    Note to all others: If you don’t happen to like me, ignore me. It is that simple.

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    Annie Hall is a better movie than Star Wars. Get over it nerds.

    I disagree. A movie’s purpose is to entertain and excite. Star Wars the most entertaining and exciting thing in 1977 by far. It also just happens to be a superior film to Annie Hall.

    Thank you. It also made tons of advancements in technology and received recognition for them. Plus, who doesn’t love seeing the great Alec Guinness in well, pretty much anything?

    Note to myself: Don’t ever feed the trolls. Don’t get involved in others drama. Don’t let myself be swayed by others predictions, trust my gut more often!

    Note to all others: If you don’t happen to like me, ignore me. It is that simple.

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    RobertPius
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    I’m also curious to hear about results in other categories. Like would Glenn Close have won Best Actress for Fatal Attraction over Cher in Moonstruck? I’ve always thought that (part of) the reason why Close didn’t win was because her character might’ve been too off-putting for Academy members (especially older ones) to rally around.

    I do remember Shirley MacLaine who I think read the nominees list saying something to the press afterwards that she didn’t like films about “stabbing.” So she didn’t vote for it obviously.

    Fatal Attraction was so polarizing some people thought it was misogynistic, some people thought it was a rip off of “Play Misty for Me” (Eastwood has said they basically remade his film.) It was a hotly discussed film. I don’t think the true brilliance of Close’s work settled in until later.

    Cher was kind of unstoppable this year. The film was very popular, she had had three big movies that year plus two years before when she was considered a shoo-in nomination for Mask she didn’t get one. She was a good sport though and got the biggest laugh of the night and was the most talked about person at the ceremony because of the full out Mad Maxish outfit she wore to present Supporting Actor to Don Ameche. In introducing her Jane Fonda says “wait until you see what is about to come out here.” If you watch the clip she jokes that “you can see a got my booklet on how to dress like a serious actress.” That gets a big laugh because the academy had actually sent out a booklet specifying how women should dress. The outfit really isn’t that outrageous nowadays but back then I guess it was.

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    I think Born of the Fourth of July lost since Platoon had just swept a few years before so they didn’t want to award Stone everything again. (they had to give him director since Bruce Beresford wasn’t even nominated)

    Raging Bull actually wasn’t totally praised when it came out. That is one film that really grew in acclaim. I think it would still have lost.

    I think Shakespeare in Love won over Saving Private Ryan do to large support from the actor’s branch. It basically was a film about an aspiring actress so I think that would still happen today.

    Gandhi probably wouldn’t win. That was back when they just loved their historical dramas. I’ve read people say that they were voting more for Gandhi’s politics than the film which let’s face it is rather dull. I like all four of the other nominees plus Sophie’s Choice better. I think Paul Newman would have won today too. A like seven time vet vs. a newcomer? (although Newman and his wife had criticized the academy a lot so that didn’t help him.)

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    Glenn Close should have won of Fatal Attraction over Cher for Moonstruck. I think part of it was a make up for Cher not getting nominated for Mask.

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    I think Born of the Fourth of July lost since Platoon had just swept a few years before so they didn’t want to award Stone everything again. (they had to give him director since Bruce Beresford wasn’t even nominated)

    Raging Bull actually wasn’t totally praised when it came out. That is one film that really grew in acclaim. I think it would still have lost.

    I think even if Bruce Beresford was nominated for the Oscar he still would have lost to Stone since the latter won DGA where Beresford also wasn’t nominated, thus showing a universal lack of appreciation for his Directing of Miss Daisy.

    If Raging Bull would have lost then what would have won today? Certainly not Ordinary People which doesn’t fit the profile even remotely of any BP winner from the past several years. The Scorsese film just makes the most sense on paper as the winner with today’s generation of voters.

    Note to myself: Don’t ever feed the trolls. Don’t get involved in others drama. Don’t let myself be swayed by others predictions, trust my gut more often!

    Note to all others: If you don’t happen to like me, ignore me. It is that simple.

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    I disagree. A movie’s purpose is to entertain and excite

    By that logic, MCU movies should win the Oscars and Game of Thrones should have no competition at the Emmys.

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