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    Jeffrey Kare
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    In 2009 and 2010, the Oscars featured 10 films nominated for Best Picture instead of 5. Though after reports of academy members complaining about how they couldn’t find 10 movies they found worthy in a particular year, they started applying a sliding scale system in 2011 where Best Picture would feature any number of films between 5 and 10 nominated depending on voting results, as opposed to a set number of nominees. While it’s great that we’ll finally be going back to a guaranteed 10 Best Picture nominees next year, people on the internet still speculate what films would’ve made it in had it not been for the sliding scale. However, I’m interested in asking different question. In all the years of the sliding scale from 2011-2020, which films that were nominated for Best Picture do you think would not have made it in if academy members were using the same nomination voting system as they did in 2009 and 2010?

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    2010: 127 Hours, Black Swan, Winter’s Bone, Tory Story 3, The Kids Are Allright

    2011: Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close, Midnight in Paris, The Tree of Life, War Horse

    2012: Beasts of The Southern Wild, Silver Linings Playbook, Amour, Argo

    2013: Philomena, Nebraska, Her, Captain Phillips

    2014: American Sniper, Selma, Whiplash

    2015: Brooklyn, The Martian, Room

    2016: Fences, Hidden Figures, Hacksaw Ridge, Hell or High Water

    2017: Phantom Thread, Call Me By Your Name, Get Out, The Shape of Water

    2018: Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star Is Born, BlacKkKlansman

    2019: Ford v. Ferrari, Jojo Rabbit, Marriage Story, Little Women

    2020: Judas and The Black Messiah, Minari, Sound of Metal

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    I like the current system the most and feel sad they are going back to a boring set of 10. The Fucking Blind Side. NEVER. FORGET. A sliding scale creates the most unpredictability, while allowing the films that voters really have a passion for to be recognized. Did we need something like One Night in Miami to get a filler Best Picture nomination this year? No we did not.

    Side note though – it’s really disappointing how the Goldderby prediction center continually ignored the sliding scale over the years and just let everyone pick 10 anyway, without any repercussions for wrong predictions. Predicting the exact lineup should always be the goal.

    Anyway, I’m actually not sure what question is being asked by the original post, because it seems like you’re asking which Best Picture nominees from 2011-2020 wouldn’t have been nominated if there was a set number of 10? I mean, it’s pretty logical that all of them would have been nominated still with a set 10, since they were able to make it in under a system that only resulted in 8 or 9 nominees per year?

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    I will be livid if we begin to see more nominations like THE BLIND SIDE or EXTREMELY LOUD & INCREDIBLY CLOSE once it goes back to ten. The fact that those two movies have Best Picture nominations is simply disgusting.

    I feel like having a set list of around 7 could be potentially a good thing although this year my favorites of the nominees were arguably all near last place aside from maybe THE FATHER, those being SOUND OF METAL and JUDAS.

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    I will be livid if we begin to see more nominations like THE BLIND SIDE or EXTREMELY LOUD & INCREDIBLY CLOSE once it goes back to ten. The fact that those two movies have Best Picture nominations is simply disgusting. I feel like having a set list of around 7 could be potentially a good thing although this year my favorites of the nominees were arguably all near last place aside from maybe THE FATHER, those being SOUND OF METAL and JUDAS.

    Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close got in under the current system.

    To be honest I’m baffled at those people who do not prefer a straight ten nominees.

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    I have a feeling that Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close would not have made it in if the sliding scale wasn’t being used in 2011. If that year had a field of 10 Best Picture nominees, I think Bridesmaids and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo would’ve filled out the category.

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    I have a feeling that Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close would not have made it in if the sliding scale wasn’t being used in 2011. If that year had a field of 10 Best Picture nominees, I think Bridesmaids and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo would’ve filled out the category.

    You think it’s possible that the some nominees that got in the sliding scale can’t get nominated in a straight ten system?

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    According to Will Mavity of Next Best Picture…

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    I have to manage Extremely Loud, Selma and The Post would miss under this straight ten system. Their low nom count just gives the impression of “loved by a few, not the many” vibes that wouldn’t play well

    I also wonder if things like Farewell, Crazy Rich Asians, Wonder Woman, Deadpool, Marigold Hotel would’ve all made it in with BP as they’re only nom. All of them made waves through their respective seasons and were likely 6-10 in a number of other categories as well.

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    2010: 127 Hours, Black Swan, Winter’s Bone, Tory Story 3, The Kids Are Allright 2011: Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close, Midnight in Paris, The Tree of Life, War Horse 2012: Beasts of The Southern Wild, Silver Linings Playbook, Amour, Argo 2013: Philomena, Nebraska, Her, Captain Phillips 2014: American Sniper, Selma, Whiplash 2015: Brooklyn, The Martian, Room 2016: Fences, Hidden Figures, Hacksaw Ridge, Hell or High Water 2017: Phantom Thread, Call Me By Your Name, Get Out, The Shape of Water 2018: Bohemian Rhapsody, A Star Is Born, BlacKkKlansman 2019: Ford v. Ferrari, Jojo Rabbit, Marriage Story, Little Women 2020: Judas and The Black Messiah, Minari, Sound of Metal

    I think you mistook the question for wondering what wouldnt have been nominated if there were only five nominees.

    Emmys FYC:

    Comedy Series - Abbott Elementary, Atlanta, The Great, Reservation Dogs, What We Do in the Shadows

    Drama Series - Pachinko, Severance, Yellowjackets

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    Tory Story 3

    This sounds like a horror movie that Thatcher wrote.

    FYC:

    "The Good Fight" and "The Other Two" in all categories.

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    However, I’m interested in asking different question. In all the years of the sliding scale from 2011-2020, which films that were nominated for Best Picture do you think would not have made it in if academy members were using the same nomination voting system as they did in 2009 and 2010?

    2020: None of the nominees
    2019: Ford v Ferrari
    2018: None of the nominees
    2017: The Post
    2016: Fences, Hell or High Water
    2015: Brooklyn
    2014: Selma
    2013: None
    2012: Moneyball, War Horse
    2011: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    FYC:

    "The Good Fight" and "The Other Two" in all categories.

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    Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close has got to be the only one, if any. Having 10 nominees inherently makes it easier to get nominated, as compared to a system that always ended up giving us 8 or 9 nominees. Incredibly Loud is really the only case where you can say “most people disliked this movie or found it underwhelming, and just a small pool of passionate supporters pushed it in.” Even if that was the case, there’s still no way to know if 2 other movies that year would have received more support. The ballot is still going to be weighted to a degree, it’s not just a straight populist vote.

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