March 2, 2021 at 5:06 pm #1204077920
I was not trying to be “rude”. I was just asking a simple question, a question I always ask whenever there are posthumous nominations from actors. I wondered the same thing when Heath Ledger won (though his performance in The Dark Knight was one of the best I have ever seen). It just seems kinda suspect is all to me. Again he did awesome in Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom, but I still wonder what would’ve happened if he did not die.
You weren’t rude. That was a perfectly valid question. Don’t worry.March 2, 2021 at 5:09 pm #1204077932
He gives an outstanding performance in Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom. If he wins, it will be a well deserved Oscar. Boseman’s name had been making rounds for a few years. Being part of Marvel took him to the next level. He had already made a name for himself by playing many Legendary figures. Black Panther made him a new icon. I honestly think he would still have been competitive for a win.
He still never got any attention from precursors. That reinforces to me the idea that this nom would’ve only been a « welcome to the club » like so many first noms are.March 2, 2021 at 5:26 pm #1204077977
He probably wouldn’t have won. I mean, he was phenomenal in Ma Rainey. But it would be surprising for them to give it to someone who was just giving their first Oscar-level performance. (No matter how much I love him in Marshall and Get On Up, those films just weren’t good enough, if that makes sense.) Ma Rainey is a great film and he is phenomenal in it. I doubt he wouldn’t have been nominated.
But, as for a win….
Well, I feel like that’s more complicated. Even if I would probably give him (or Delroy Lindo) the win myself.
I would imagine that the narrative for Ahmed would be similar to Casey Affleck for Manchester By The Sea and I reckon that would probably have bumped him above Chadwick, who’s narrative would be more along the lines of him getting his first really, really meaty part. And Anthony Hopkins narrative has been talked about on here a lot, so I probably don’t need to go over it – but it’s never surprising when an actor considered as legendary as Hopkins wins multiple Oscars.
On the whole, my guess is that Hopkins would probably have won, but it wouldn’t be a clean sweep. And I wouldn’t have ruled out a shock-win for Ahmed or, possibly, Boseman.
It certainly wouldn’t be as certain as it is now.
But I’m glad Boseman is being rewarded. To me, it is one of the great tragedies of cinema that Boseman died so young. He had an incredible range and an unparalleled energy on screen. And don’t be surprised if, in the years to come, his role in Ma Rainey, becomes renowned as one of the greatest performances in recent memory.
A very annoying young man, who loves cinema. 🙂
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did ask you the same question about Heath LedgerMarch 2, 2021 at 7:11 pm #1204078230
Is it possible that he’s winning because he died AND he was good?
I think that’s the point of posthumous wins. You want to acknowledge how great someone was because you can no longer do so for obvious reasons.March 2, 2021 at 7:20 pm #1204078260
did ask you the same question about Heath Ledger
I thought that at first with Heath because it was such an atypical performance to get wins but lo and behold, it’s one of cinema’s best performances.
May the best of your todays be the worst of your tomorrows.March 2, 2021 at 7:47 pm #1204078343
He’s excellent and had a more showy performance. Of course he’d win because he’s good. Put this lame topic to rest I know y’all are tired.
What y’all got going on over here?March 2, 2021 at 8:01 pm #1204078397
Heath Ledger would’ve won even if he were alive. His performance feels like one that would win an Oscar. It’s a method acting masterwork, which the Oscars have a tendency to gravitate towards, in which Ledger, a young heartthrob, surprised audiences by completely transforming himself into a menacing and dangerous maniac. Performances like that have won Oscars before. Heck, we must remember that Ledger’s win was preceded by a performance from another heartthrob who transformed himself into a menacing villain. Those saying that he wouldn’t have been nominated because the role traditionally doesn’t attract awards attention seem to ignore the reason Ledger’s performance is remembered and venerated to this day, which is that the performance was a fresh and unique take on a comic book character that transcended the traditional comic book movie trappings. We mustn’t also ignore the fact how respected Ledger was amongst his peers and that, although The Dark Knight missed out on a Best Picture nomination (which it would’ve received if there were a max. of 10 nominees), it was still nominated for eight Oscars (not a mean feat) and had racked up a lot of guild nominations. The film had enough industry support that Ledger would’ve won even if he hadn’t passed away.March 2, 2021 at 8:09 pm #1204078424
Winning an Oscar often has as much or more to do with a narrative than the performance. I usually end up thinking most winning performances are decent but hardly ever the best of their year.
Boseman is in a stage-bound film — there’s no recent comparable lead actor winner in a film this small and theatrical. He basically alternated between two sets the entire performance. Aside but no one who performed any of the roles ever won Tonys on the stage for it. I thought Boseman was fine in the movie (much better as James Brown a few years earlier, a performance worthier of recognition).
In other years, Hopkins would be more of the typical winner (appeal to Academy demographic, chance of this being a farewell performance, the film also a decent player in main categories).
Two things can be true though: Boseman’s death is an X factor in the trivial awards circus, and the performance is fine or better and could have been a contender in some years.
We’ll never know what would have happened (if he were still alive) but based on analyzing the recent trends in this category, I think in most years he would only be a filler nominee.March 2, 2021 at 8:17 pm #1204078453
did ask you the same question about Heath Ledger
I was on “old goldderby” back then, and some of those threads are still available to access on the website Wayback Machine. Yes. There were people asking this same question then and talking about it in the supporting actor threads. Other people who posted from back then may remember it too.March 2, 2021 at 8:22 pm #1204078473
He probably wouldn’t have won. I mean, he was phenomenal in Ma Rainey. But it would be surprising for them to give it to someone who was just giving their first Oscar-level performance. (No matter how much I love him in Marshall and Get On Up, those films just weren’t good enough, if that makes sense.)
With all due respect, this seems like codswallop to me. It would be surprising for them to give it to someone giving their first Oscar-level performance? I’m sorry, did Jean Dujardin give an Oscar-level performance prior to The Artist? How about Eddie Redmayne prior to The Theory of Everything? Rami Malek had Mr. Robot on television, but when it comes to motion pictures, did he do anything that was Oscar-worthy before Bohemian Rhapsody? Since you’re discounting Get on Up and Marshall for Boseman, I’ll take a guess and say you wouldn’t consider films like The Lincoln Lawyer, Mud, and Magic Mike as being Oscar-worthy, which would mean Matthew McConaughey didn’t give an Oscar-caliber performance prior to Dallas Buyers Club.
We’ve seen actors win Best Actor without any prior Oscar-caliber work before, so that argument makes no sense. What’s even more confounding is that, later in your post, you say that Riz Ahmed could’ve won if Boseman were alive. Has Ahmed given an Oscar-level performance in a film prior to Sound of Metal? What would make him different from Boseman, if he were alive?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not definitively claiming that Boseman would be winning even if he were alive. It’s possible that he wouldn’t have won if he were alive. However, asserting that Boseman couldn’t have won if he were alive simply because this was Boseman’s first Oscar-level performance is simply ridiculous.March 2, 2021 at 9:55 pm #1204078745
In Supporting, no.
In Lead, the truth is that we don’t know. It’s impossible to say whether or not he would still win if he were alive because the logistics of the race would be a lot different. I certainly think it would be much closer between himself and Anthony Hopkins, and the two might have even traded wins at the precursors. But Boseman would definetely still be in the win conversation. It was my favorite lead acting performance of the year and many others’ too. He did a fantastic job and I hate it when people say that he’s only winning because he’s dead. That’s the only reason the Best Actor race is such a dominant sweep but it’s not the only reason why Boseman’s the victor.
John's Best of 2020
Best Picture: Soul
Best Direction: The Midnight Sky
Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman
Best Actress: Viola Davis
Best Supporting Actor: Delroy Lindo
Best Supporting Actress: Amanda Seyfried
Best Screenplay: Soul
John's Best of 2021
Best Picture: Nomadland
Best Direction: Nomadland
Best Actor: Lakeith Stanfield
Best Actress: Frances McDormand
Best Supporting Actor: Daniel Kaluuya
Best Supporting Actress: Dominique Fishback
Best Screenplay: Judas and the Black MessiahMarch 2, 2021 at 10:51 pm #1204078876
This is something we all too scared to talk about lol.
I just want to say he’s still #2 in Best Actor if he’s alive. But as a posthumous winner, Heath Ledger is considered one of the most deserved Best Supporting Actor for his performance. As for Boseman, I don’t think people will remember this winning role but only him as a beloved actor.
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