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Is Chadwick Boseman Winning Because He’s Good, or Because He’s Dead?

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    Pretty disappointing premise for a thread.

    watch I May Destroy You

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    Often what I see surrounding this question is people coming to conclusions based on their opinion of his performance, or where they would rank him in this year’s field. It’s either ‘Boseman’s the best so of course he would be winning anyway’ or ‘no, obviously he’s only winning due to his death because such and such is better.’ Obviously, neither of these statements are logical or objective as you can’t analyse other people’s choices or opinions based purely on your own. (To be clear, I’m not implicating people on this thread as there have been some nuanced arguments here; I am more referring to comments elsewhere in these forums and the awards conversation at large.)

    So let’s conduct a rather sordid thought experiment. This is horrible, but for sake of argument let’s say that Rami Malek had died tragically early of an illness shortly after completing Bohemian Rhapsody. Then of course he starts winning posthumous awards everywhere for it. Now I’ll be completely honest and say I was not a particular fan of his performance in that film. Would it have made sense for me then to argue that he won purely based on sentiment for his death? Of course not, because not only did he win while alive, he was also playing one of the most famous singers of the 20th century in a physically transformative performance, and in a box office smash to boot. It was prime awards bait. Conversely, what if Willem Dafoe had passed away that year? He gave my favourite performance in the category for At Eternity’s Gate, but him winning wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense statistically as he was the only one not in a Best Picture nominee, nor was his film nominated anywhere else. It was also quite ‘arty’ and unpopular as a film. So if Dafoe started winning for it in this situation I would be forced to conclude posthumous sentiment was playing a role, accompanied by an overdue narrative as he has yet to win.

    Now back to Boseman. While he doesn’t physically transform on screen, he has two searing monologues that grab audiences by the throat. I haven’t seen all the competition yet, but by most accounts Boseman is giving the biggest performance (apart from maybe Delroy Lindo who is now on the outside looking in for this category). Among the films gunning for a Best Actor slot, Ma Rainey will probably be the highest ranked for Best Picture, except perhaps Minari, but Steven Yeun isn’t even a lock for a nomination. I’ll be honest and say I had doubts that Hopkins would win for The Father even before we knew of Boseman’s death or that he’d be competing in lead; we’ve seen these aging/dementia roles lose out to younger, flashier competition before.

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    I think had been alive, he most certainly would’ve faced stiffer competition from not just Hopkins but also Riz Ahmed. I still think he would’ve more than likely ended up winning. As for Da Five Bloods? I honestly think that is pure name-checking when Clarke Peters and Jonathan Majors are right there. I personally would vote for Riz Ahmed…but I say that having not seen Hopkins or Rahim yet.

     

    This is it.

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    Ugh.

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    Only 2 actors have won Oscars posthumously…Peter Finch for Network & Heath Ledger for The Dark Knight. Most deceased nominees have not won. I don’t think the Oscar voters care either way. They vote for the performance. I think Finch & Ledger would have won had they been alive.

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    I wonder if OP would have made a thread if it were a beloved WHITE actor who had given one of the absolute  best performances of his life before passing suddenly?

     

    Like say Heath Ledger? Would this thread have been made back in 09?

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    This is stupid and excruciating post.delete

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    I wonder if OP would have made a thread if it were a beloved WHITE actor who had given one of the absolute best performances of his life before passing suddenly? Like say Heath Ledger? Would this thread have been made back in 09?

    I think someone already said there were similar threads about Ledger back then.

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    Is there a way to flag/report this forum?

    FYC Best Actress 2021: Viola Davis!!!

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    This discussion is tired, through, & delayed.

    Boseman gave the performance of his career. He was getting Oscar buzz WAY before he tragically passed.

    Let’s stop undermining Black talent please. Thank you.

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    did ask you the same question about Heath Ledger

    No, his racist ass didn’t. This kind of crass and disrespectful question is entirely on brand for him though.

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    In a way I’m glad of this thread just so we can isolate the discussion, get it out of the way and be done with it, as it has permeated the Best Actor thread for long enough now. But the way the thread title is phrased is… ew.

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    Petition to change the title of this thread. Its plain right disrespectful.

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    He’s winning for Both reasons lol.

    He’s good and he’s dead.

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    Probably both factors, but as others have said, his one role in Black Panther has influenced the impact of his death, a death which also came at a critical time and augmented his status. The Ma Rainey’s performance was no Heath Ledger, but it was very good. Comparing this inevitable ‘honour’ to “would you ask this if Hopkins died?” is ridiculous given Hopkins has a lifetime of accomplished work, not one albeit important blockbuster. And yes we all remember people questioning whether Ledger should have won, the answer was roundly yes however, as he was nominated for a character performance which has become part of film history, something Boseman’s performance is not. Plus, Ledger had been previously Oscar-nominated for another acclaimed role in a ‘serious’ movie, so it wasn’t out of left field. I won’t mind if Boseman wins, but Riz Ahmed will.

    There are a lot of very sensitive censorious types trying to shut down a legitimate question that’s inevitably been/being asked everywhere.

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