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    Woody
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    If he were still alive I don’t think he would have won, Anthony Hopkins gives a more unique and interesting performance and would have most likely won. Riz Ahmed also gives a more unique performance too. Also Ma Rainey overall is not a great film, it’s fine and does what it sets out too but as a whole it falls short. He would likely have been nominated everywhere and would be talked about being in contention to win but i dont see him winning much for this performance.

    Also i dont think you can compare this to other posthumous winners or nominees in the past as when we look at everything surrounding his likely win there’s a lot more to it. Firstly the worlds attention towards BLM became a huge deal and talk of representation and telling Black stories is everywhere so obviously these awards bodies want to show how inclusive they are and award black stories even more then usual. Secondly Chadwick starred in Black Panther which is one of the most successful and talked about Black film, in this year especially this makes him being Black Panther even more apparent. Third Chadwick is a very well liked and respected person in the industry and the fact that he dies so suddenly under such sad circumstances makes people want to honour him.

    The fact is that  his death is like no other death of an actor before and because of this and the political climate of the past year its impossible to imagine anybody even thinking about giving anybody else the award even if they think others are better or more deserving. This years best actor race is also one of the most competitive there has been so no way would he be such a sure thing

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    I feel as though his performance would easily be good enough for him to be competing frontrunner with Anthony if he hadn’t passed away, and his Oscar worthiness is clear it was a great performance. However because it’s the last chance to honour him of course people will want him to take the award more than anyone else. Anthony has already won anyhow, so it’s no surprise at all he’s a lock.

     

    That’s my take anyhow

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    I am not personally offended by the question but we have to remember, every year, there are Oscar winners that can be seen as questionable or something else outside of the performance led to a win.

    I personally think Boseman was outstanding in MRBB and he’d make a great winner.

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    I will not deny that Chadwick Boseman is excellent in both Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom and Da 5 Bloods. But is he winning these awards, including the Golden Globe Award, because of how good he is in these movies, or because he recently died?

    Both. I think he would have won this year anyways considering the competition but his death pushes it over the edge. I do not think he’d be nominated for da 5 bloods if he had not died.

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    There are a lot of very sensitive censorious types trying to shut down a legitimate question that’s inevitably been/being asked everywhere.

    This. I don’t understand why people are so offended by this question when it’s perfectly legitimate ? And as for the dumb accusations of racism… the same question would have been raised if any other actor had died this year instead of Chadwick Boseman.

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    This. I don’t understand why people are so offended by this question when it’s perfectly legitimate ? And as for the dumb accusations of racism… the same question would have been raised if any other actor had died this year instead of Chadwick Boseman.

    Unfortunately there is a large subset of users on this website who draw racist inferences from everything and look for offence when there isn’t any there to be found. I agree that it’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask. I have watched both Ma Rainey and The Father – Boseman’s performance was quite good (the film as a whole was dull and slow), but I do not think it is the best of the year and I certainly don’t think it was better than Hopkins (haven’t seen Ahmed yet). I do think he is going to win this year because of a combination of his decent performance, his sad passing and also as a result of the BLM narrative and people seemingly falling over themselves to award PoC performers this year.

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    Anthony Hopkins played a forgetful old man, let’s not pretend that’s some kind of stretch or anywhere near what Chadwick did in Ma Rainey.

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    Anthony Hopkins played a forgetful old man, let’s not pretend that’s some kind of stretch or anywhere near what Chadwick did in Ma Rainey.

    Chadwick Boseman plays a failing musician, you can overly simplify and minimise Chadwick’s performance just as easily as you try to with Anthony Hopkins. What Anthony Hopkins did in The Father playing ‘a forgetful old man’ is far and beyond anything Chadwick did in Ma Rainey.

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    With all due respect, this seems like codswallop to me. It would be surprising for them to give it to someone giving their first Oscar-level performance? I’m sorry, did Jean Dujardin give an Oscar-level performance prior to The Artist? How about Eddie Redmayne prior to The Theory of Everything? Rami Malek had Mr. Robot on television, but when it comes to motion pictures, did he do anything that was Oscar-worthy before Bohemian Rhapsody? Since you’re discounting Get on Up and Marshall for Boseman, I’ll take a guess and say you wouldn’t consider films like The Lincoln Lawyer, Mud, and Magic Mike as being Oscar-worthy, which would mean Matthew McConaughey didn’t give an Oscar-caliber performance prior to Dallas Buyers Club. We’ve seen actors win Best Actor without any prior Oscar-caliber work before, so that argument makes no sense. What’s even more confounding is that, later in your post, you say that Riz Ahmed could’ve won if Boseman were alive. Has Ahmed given an Oscar-level performance in a film prior to Sound of Metal? What would make him different from Boseman, if he were alive? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not definitively claiming that Boseman would be winning even if he were alive. It’s possible that he wouldn’t have won if he were alive. However, asserting that Boseman couldn’t have won if he were alive simply because this was Boseman’s first Oscar-level performance is simply ridiculous.

    Well, you have to bear in mind with those performances there were very different contexts.

    The Artist was the best-Picture frontrunner.

    And The Theory Of Everything and Bohemian Rhapsody were based on very real, very significant and very well-regarded public figures.

    As for McConaughey, I’d actually say his work in The Lincoln Lawyer would have been, perhaps, worthy of an Oscar nomination. And, even more so, would his work in Killer Joe. He had built up a resume of very good, if not necessarily GREAT work, in the years prior to Dallas Buyers Club. He’d also made a conscious effort to move away from studio fare and work with more auteur directors. The result was an exceptional level of admiration, with a narrative being built for him over the course of several years…

    Without his death, unfortunately, there isn’t a particularly phenomenal narrative for Boseman. His film is most certainly not the Best Picture frontrunner and it isn’t even in the Top 5, realistically. His role isn’t one of those defined by the “method acting” approach. And his trajectory up to this point has (outside of the MCU) consisted of pretty mediocore studio fare, which has only really been raised by his natural screen presence. And it isn’t exactly as if he is some well-regarded actor who has kind of faded into the background. There has rarely been any great acclaim for his work, up until this point. However, as his work is genuinely good here, I could see him getting a nomination, without the narrative. But I think it would be in the kind of… idk… Christian Bale in American Hustle sort of slot (even though Bale was a higher profile actor and was, most likely, in one of the films in that year’s Oscar’s Top 5).

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    He was good, but his death narrative is the reason he’s the frontrunner. Rahim and Ahmed all gave much better performances. If Boseman was alive, he would have just received a welcome to the club nomination like another user pointed out. He was good, but not win worthy. Take away his pitiable dialogue and you’ll have nothing left in the performance

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    There is also a third reason. He was really sick during filming. And gave such a powerful performance according to critics and you guys, the respect for the love he had for his craft just catapult him to the front runner status asap.

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    Chadwick may well not be the best performance of the year, but I think he would have won regardless if he was alive or not.

    His brand is propelling him to the Oscar as well. He is Black Panther, and he has been doing good performances for a while now. The play adaptation he starred in is also fairly popular, and is produced by Denzel Washington and costars Viola Davis, who are huge stars and starred in another August Wilson adaptation a few years prior. His death just added to the narrative. His closest competitor, Anthony Hopkins, despises campaigning, and his next closest competitor, Riz Ahmed, had his film underperform a bit at the Globes and SAG. Now Sound Of Metal is garnering buzz, but it didn’t exactly. Boseman would be the winner.

    There’s so many factors at play, but if we’re talking about if Boseman is winning if he is alive, then I say yes, because of the above factors.

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    Bump

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    So, did he lose because he’s dead?

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