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    I ask this because it seems like he’s got the most guts as a performer. Across both genders, not many show the level of technical skill that Phoenix does.

    Just look at his work ever since To Die For (1995). A lot of his performances seemed to be something that only the most proficient actors were capable of doing; I think after his brother River passed away, that was the jolt needed to become such a good actor.

    He only has three Oscar nominations, but I’d be hard pressed to deny him of at least half a dozen by now (Quills, Two Lovers, Her, The Master, To Die For, The Immigrant, Walk the Line, Gladiator and plenty of other things I could name). It was when Daniel Day-Lewis won his third Best Actor Oscar for his unique and unassuming but all too cold portrayal of Abraham Lincoln as a championing of “method acting”, that people screamed that the best “method acting” that happened that year was in Joaquin Phoenix’s performance in The Master… and the cries of “robbed!” were heard worldwide.

    So I guess I’ve got to ask you this; is Joaquin Phoenix the most skilled actor today? What will his future with the Oscars look like? And what work of his do you like?

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    He’s one of the best skilled male actors. As far as the women go, he falls short of a few.

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    He was a good child actor too. See, Parenthood (1989).

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    Phoenix > Gyllenhaal, it’s not even close. And I like Gyllenhaal a lot.

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    He adds a layer of quirk and weariness to all his performances that I find a tad annoying and redundant. But he is incredibly talented and a charismatic screen presence. And there’s an ease to his acting that you don’t see from DiCaprio, Bale or Gyllenhaal. They’ve all had their moments however. Though I’d overall take Phoenix over those three.

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    No. Not taking away anything from Joaquin Phoenix’s obvious acting abilities, but “most skilled” is a reach.

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    IMO Phoenix along with Day-Lewis, Bale, Gyllenhaal and Hardy are the most skilled actors today.

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    He is Definitely up there. He was just as good as Reese in Walk the Line. He needs to get his head together.

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    I think there’s an exaggeration that the whole world heard the cries that Phoenix was robbed the year Day-Lewis won for Lincoln. Both were incredibly committed and skilled performances. Both roles required different things from both actors and the films both of them were in had wildly different tones as well so their performances were perfect for what was appropriate for their respective films.

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    No. In terms of technical ability, Gary Oldman is hard to beat.

    And frankly, Phoenix (whom I think is terrific) is just a movie actor. You need to use that disclaimer, imho. There’s no way on earth I can consider people like Phoenix or Christian Bale, who have never done professional theatre in their entire careers, to be the most skilled actors working. It’s almost an insult to more fully rounded professionals. Onscreen they work hard to let you see the effort they put into their roles (like Bale and his extreme dieting), but I’m not sure “effort” and “skill” are the same thing.

    Take Denzel Washington, whom I regard as the best actor alive. He’s currently performing (and Tony nominated) on Broadway playing the role of Hickey in The Iceman Cometh. One of the most difficult roles in American theatre (particularly as the actor has to undertake a 25 minute monologue towards the end of the play). I don’t believe Phoenix has the “skill” to do that. Or King Lear on stage, which Washington says he’ll do in 5 years. That’s insane skill. Movie acting is full of shortcuts that stage does not allow or forgive.

    Shame Gary Oldman hasn’t done stage since the 1980’s as I’d give him more credit if he did, but for skill and accomplishment across mediums while still being at the top of their games, it’s hard to top people like Washington and Ralph Fiennes. Or even older guys like Christopher Plummer. Being an intense, brooding film actor that can brood in different ways on film is not the same thing as commanding film and stage with ease at the highest level.

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    No. In terms of technical ability, Gary Oldman is hard to beat. And frankly, Phoenix (whom I think is terrific) is just a movie actor. You need to use that disclaimer, imho. There’s no way on earth I can consider people like Phoenix or Christian Bale, who have never done professional theatre in their entire careers, to be the most skilled actors working. It’s almost an insult to more fully rounded professionals. Onscreen they work hard to let you see the effort they put into their roles (like Bale and his extreme dieting), but I’m not sure “effort” and “skill” are the same thing. Take Denzel Washington, whom I regard as the best actor alive. He’s currently performing (and Tony nominated) on Broadway playing the role of Hickey in The Iceman Cometh. One of the most difficult roles in American theatre (particularly as the actor has to undertake a 25 minute monologue towards the end of the play). I don’t believe Phoenix has the “skill” to do that. Or King Lear on stage, which Washington says he’ll do in 5 years. That’s insane skill. Movie acting is full of shortcuts that stage does not allow or forgive. Shame Gary Oldman hasn’t done stage since the 1980’s as I’d give him more credit if he did, but for skill and accomplishment across mediums while still being at the top of their games, it’s hard to top people like Washington and Ralph Fiennes. Or even older guys like Christopher Plummer. Being an intense, brooding film actor that can brood in different ways on film is not the same thing as commanding film and stage with ease at the highest level.

    I think what you say is a perfectly fair statement, however “film actor” is rather implicit in my title I feel. Otherwise there’s plenty of guys (including Oldman and Denzel, and even Mark Rylance) that I think would have money on him.

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    No. In terms of technical ability, Gary Oldman is hard to beat. And frankly, Phoenix (whom I think is terrific) is just a movie actor. You need to use that disclaimer, imho. There’s no way on earth I can consider people like Phoenix or Christian Bale, who have never done professional theatre in their entire careers, to be the most skilled actors working. It’s almost an insult to more fully rounded professionals. Onscreen they work hard to let you see the effort they put into their roles (like Bale and his extreme dieting), but I’m not sure “effort” and “skill” are the same thing. Take Denzel Washington, whom I regard as the best actor alive. He’s currently performing (and Tony nominated) on Broadway playing the role of Hickey in The Iceman Cometh. One of the most difficult roles in American theatre (particularly as the actor has to undertake a 25 minute monologue towards the end of the play). I don’t believe Phoenix has the “skill” to do that. Or King Lear on stage, which Washington says he’ll do in 5 years. That’s insane skill. Movie acting is full of shortcuts that stage does not allow or forgive. Shame Gary Oldman hasn’t done stage since the 1980’s as I’d give him more credit if he did, but for skill and accomplishment across mediums while still being at the top of their games, it’s hard to top people like Washington and Ralph Fiennes. Or even older guys like Christopher Plummer. Being an intense, brooding film actor that can brood in different ways on film is not the same thing as commanding film and stage with ease at the highest level.

    I think what you say is a perfectly fair statement, however “film actor” is rather implicit in my title I feel. Otherwise there’s plenty of guys (including Oldman and Denzel, and even Mark Rylance) that I think would have money on him.

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    No. In terms of technical ability, Gary Oldman is hard to beat. And frankly, Phoenix (whom I think is terrific) is just a movie actor. You need to use that disclaimer, imho. There’s no way on earth I can consider people like Phoenix or Christian Bale, who have never done professional theatre in their entire careers, to be the most skilled actors working. It’s almost an insult to more fully rounded professionals. Onscreen they work hard to let you see the effort they put into their roles (like Bale and his extreme dieting), but I’m not sure “effort” and “skill” are the same thing. Take Denzel Washington, whom I regard as the best actor alive. He’s currently performing (and Tony nominated) on Broadway playing the role of Hickey in The Iceman Cometh. One of the most difficult roles in American theatre (particularly as the actor has to undertake a 25 minute monologue towards the end of the play). I don’t believe Phoenix has the “skill” to do that. Or King Lear on stage, which Washington says he’ll do in 5 years. That’s insane skill. Movie acting is full of shortcuts that stage does not allow or forgive. Shame Gary Oldman hasn’t done stage since the 1980’s as I’d give him more credit if he did, but for skill and accomplishment across mediums while still being at the top of their games, it’s hard to top people like Washington and Ralph Fiennes. Or even older guys like Christopher Plummer. Being an intense, brooding film actor that can brood in different ways on film is not the same thing as commanding film and stage with ease at the highest level.

    I think what you say is a perfectly fair statement, however “film actor” is rather implicit in my title I feel. Otherwise there’s plenty of guys (including Oldman and Denzel, and even Mark Rylance) that I think would have money on him.

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    In terms of stage acting lol

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