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    AayaanUpadhyaya
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    Besides the fact that there was only one POC nominated out of 20 acting slots, I just realized that of all the Best Picture nominees, Parasite is literally the only nominee to feature POC in prominent acting roles.

    I guess Taika Waititi is probably the only one that reflects some diversity, maybe Zazie Beetz’s role in Joker too? But it’s still embarrassing.

    I have to wonder, will that somehow push it over the edge to win Best Picture in a very close race?

    Also just generally this is such a shameful state of affairs, it’s really embarrassing.

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    Zazie Beetz I guess.

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    Yeah I mentioned her, it’s still quite an embarrassing state of affairs, especially when they could have nominated The Farewell.

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    I think you’re right, Waititi and Beetz are the only POC who had roles of note in the other nominees. And even then, Waititi was his film’s own director made up to look like a different ethnicity (he only played the role because the studio didn’t want to go through such a horribly awkward casting call), and Beetz’s role is very small, adding practically nothing to the plot.

    I’m sure some will disagree with my assessment of Beetz’s role in the plot, but I thought her twist didn’t really add anything. I won’t go into detail right now to not spoil (although I think we’ve all seen the film anyway), but I thought the first scene with De Niro accomplished pretty much the same thing, only much less drawn out. Maybe the twist would’ve been more impactful if we spent more time with her character, as I seem to remember hearing her part was originally more promising than it ended up being in the final film. I do recall Joker having a few other POC, including Brian Tyree Henry, but all of them were also in very small roles. Of course, it is worth noting that none of the supporting roles in Joker are big parts.
    The lack of diversity this year is definitely sad, but I will defend some of the contenders, as films like Ford v Ferrari and The Irishman are based on real life events where there didn’t seem to be any minorities of much note, 1917, Jojo Rabbit, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood were in all in time periods and settings that are very much predominantly white, and Little Women is an already existing story where all the characters are white and changing the race of any of the members of the main family would be distracting since they all come from the same mother and father. You can get away with doing something like that in theatre all the time as it’s a less literal visual experience, but in a film, it can prove distracting to audiences. Hopefully next year brings more diversity in terms of both BP and individuals nominees.

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    The lack of diversity this year is definitely sad, but I will defend some of the contenders, as films like Ford v Ferrari and The Irishman are based on real life events where there didn’t seem to be any minorities of much note, 1917, Jojo Rabbit, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood were in all in time periods and settings that are very much predominantly white, and Little Women is an already existing story where all the characters are white and changing the race of any of the members of the main family would be distracting since they all come from the same mother and father. You can get away with doing something like that in theatre all the time as it’s a less literal visual experience, but in a film, it can prove distracting to audiences. Hopefully next year brings more diversity in terms of both BP and individuals nominees.

    Do you think Parasite will be helped because of this in Best Picture?

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    I hadn’t really thought about it before, but now that you ask, I think Parasite will he helped by this to a certain extent. What I’m not sure of, is just how much it will be helped. It could be enough to win, or it could make very little difference. People are upset about the lack of diversity, but it doesn’t seem like they’re nearly as upset as they were a few years ago when we had similar situations. Parasite is my current runner up next to 1917, but I think it’s a close race, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Parasite pulls off a deserving upset.

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    It just happens that the best films of the year don’t have that much POC in them, What’s the big deal? Wy are we jumping on the racism factor for everything?

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    It just happens that the best films of the year don’t have that much POC in them

    Many would disagree with that, though of course most of the best movies with POC in major roles weren’t close to the type of thing Oscar usually awards. That has little to do with actual quality.

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    I myself work in the movie buisness (cinematography) and I am a member of a critics organization (TFA), so I have to watch a lot of movies each year and at the end of the year I give my vote in each category. I am not an racist, and yet I did not find any performance by a black actor or actress (aside from Lupita Nyongo in US) worthy of award recognition. Many people can declare me a racist, thus tanting my personal opinion.

    Eddie Murphy did not get nominated in Dolemite. Yes, the perfomrnace was very strong. But there was even better performances by white actors that were snubbed also (Egerton, Pattinson, McKay). I am starting to feel that awards voters must feel OBLIGATED to vote for black (or asian etc) performances just not to be called racists. This is not right for me.

    I really doubt that all of those voters are racist and vote agains the POC. They just liked something else better.

    It is an easy excuse when you do not get nominated: ”They did not nominate me beacuse I am black!” NO. They did not nominate you bacause they thaught someone was better.

    The ”race card” is the strongest weapon in the world today.

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    I’ve actually wondered if the whole new backlash with a new round of OscarsSoWhite could end up helping PARASITE. I do think it sort of helped along with the LA LA LAND backlash to propel MOONLIGHT to a win (aside from the fact that the film truly deserved it).

    I do think if some Academy voters wanted to try to make a statement then they could opt for PARASITE as it would be a huge new precedent…though the film deserves the award regardless.

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    I myself work in the movie buisness (cinematography) and I am a member of a critics organization (TFA), so I have to watch a lot of movies each year and at the end of the year I give my vote in each category. I am not an racist, and yet I did not find any performance by a black actor or actress (aside from Lupita Nyongo in US) worthy of award recognition. Many people can declare me a racist, thus tanting my personal opinion. Eddie Murphy did not get nominated in Dolemite. Yes, the perfomrnace was very strong. But there was even better performances by white actors that were snubbed also (Egerton, Pattinson, McKay). I am starting to feel that awards voters must feel OBLIGATED to vote for black (or asian etc) performances just not to be called racists. This is not right for me. I really doubt that all of those voters are racist and vote agains the POC. They just liked something else better. It is an easy excuse when you do not get nominated: ”They did not nominate me beacuse I am black!” NO. They did not nominate you bacause they thaught someone was better. The ”race card” is the strongest weapon in the world today.

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    I think it’s all about the campaign. If they dare propose that angle, then maybe they can. If Awkwafina and other peeps blow up social media about the Asian rep that got snubbed, maybe that will pressure people into voting for it. Idk. Parasite is a good movie in its own right and I hope it wins.

    The annoying thing about these social media movements is that when the Academy reacts the following year and we get a slew of nominations that don’t really deserve them. Got in primarily to quell an angry mob who wont watch the show on tv anyway.

    Anyway, I’m excited. Hoping for Parasite to take prices beyond International Film.

    I just love movies. And awards.

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    Quality is subjective and voter demographics are usually a good indicator of who will be nominated and who will win. Let’s not pretend that people vote in a vacuum. They are unconsciously influenced by factors like race, visibility, sex appeal, youth, campaigning. Look at the history of the Best Actress category. The lack of nominations for POC isn’t a matter of people objectively voting for quality, since it keeps happening time and time again.
    I’m not accusing anyone or offering solutions. It’s just the way it is. The Academy has its voters that vote in a certain way and their preferences can be clearly seen in their nominees. Change has to start in the film industry and be reflected in the voter diversity.

    For better or worse, these nominations influence what stories are being funded, what kind of people are getting hired and paid and who gets to sit at the table. Should you then feel forced to put POC in your ballot? I don’t know the answer to that.

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    Emil Petrov, Lupita wasn’t really deserving, neither was Erivo. In fact I’d not have mind if the 20 performers nominated were white.

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    All the new members were supposed to fix this. But a lot of them are international and as BAFTA showed, could possibly be more racist than their American counterparts. I think the real issue here is age, not race. If there were younger people in membership, they wouldnt accept the same old great white man stories of the past.

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