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People should be nominated based on whether or not they deserve it, not their race or gender. I’m not particularly upset about the lack of diversity in Best Picture, as the only other films I can think of that are dominated by people of color that I’d place into the lineup are The Farewell, and maybe Pain & Glory. I’m also not upset by the lack of women directors either. There were several impressive directorial efforts made my women this year, such as The Farewell, Little Women, and A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood (not exactly a great movie, but there’s a lot of top notch stuff there, and Heller’s direction was very good), but none of them make it into my top picks. However, I am annoyed at the lack of diversity in the acting nominees, as I believe there’s many people of color who should’ve made the cut, such as Zhao Shuzhen, Song Kang-ho, Awkwafina, and Cho Yeo-jeong.
ReplyCopy URLPeople should be nominated based on whether or not they deserve it, not their race or gender. I’m not particularly upset about the lack of diversity in Best Picture, as the only other films I can think of that are dominated by people of color that I’d place into the lineup are The Farewell, and maybe Pain & Glory. I’m also not upset by the lack of women directors either. There were several impressive directorial efforts made my women this year, such as The Farewell, Little Women, and A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood (not exactly a great movie, but there’s a lot of top notch stuff there, and Heller’s direction was very good), but none of them make it into my top picks. However, I am annoyed at the lack of diversity in the acting nominees, as I believe there’s many people of color who should’ve made the cut, such as Zhao Shuzhen, Song Kang-ho, Awkwafina, and Cho Yeo-jeong.
Can you precise which POC in Pain and Glory ? I only remember white actors..
ReplyCopy URLI find threads (and opinions) of this nature to be extremely disingenuous and downright laughable.
What POC actors could possibly have been added to Little Women, The Irishman or Ford v Ferrari? Like really???
And why is that even an issue?
As a black man, what black character would I possibly have wanted to see in 1917, for example? Even though there are some POC actors in the film, it is understandable that most soldiers during that time period (1917), and during this specific war were white.
What virtue signalling pipe would I have to smoke to side-eye a genre (topic) specific film because it didn’t have POC characters or story lines?
Come on!
ReplyCopy URLI find threads (and opinions) of this nature to be extremely disingenuous and downright laughable. What POC actors could possibly have been added to Little Women, The Irishman or Ford v Ferrari? Like really??? And why is that even an issue? As a black man, what black character would I possibly have wanted to see in 1917, for example? Even though there are some POC actors in the film, it is understandable that most soldiers during that time period (1917), and during this specific war were white. What virtue signalling pipe would I have to smoke to side-eye a genre (topic) specific film because it didn’t have POC characters or story lines? Come on!
Well part of the issue and point of the thread is that there were contenders, such as The Farewell, that had POC actors but missed out on a BP nom. Also, I don’t see why on earth a fourth retelling of Little Women couldn’t have had actors of color. It’s not like the film adhered strictly to realism.
ReplyCopy URLThe actual nominees for BP are pretty good in my opinion. The acting categories on the other hand are a mess. It is like they purposely snubbed actors of color and they only nominated one performance of someone who was enslaved. I actually have no issue with the BP nominees but there are some very worthy films that could have been nominated.
The interest level for this years award season has decreased by a margin due to Hollywood following their old ways of barely recognizing those of color. everyone’s favorite excuse is that “there aren’t enough great movies out there for those of color,” but this year was a great year for those of color.
ReplyCopy URLWell part of the issue and point of the thread is that there were contenders, such as The Farewell, that had POC actors but missed out on a BP nom. Also, I don’t see why on earth a fourth retelling of Little Women couldn’t have had actors of color. It’s not like the film adhered strictly to realism.
The Farewell, contrary to popular Twitter belief, was not a universally accessible film. As it’s box office performance proved once it went wide, and it’s international performance as well (China especially). And as it’s nomination haul proves with different voting bodies. Hence why it didn’t get a nomination. They didn’t snub it because it had TOO MANY POC ACTORS.
Well, blimey! I wonder why i didn’t hear one squeek or grunt over Little Women’s possible POC characters it could’ve added. Not one outrage. Not even a mention. Yet other films are getting unfairly dragged.
ReplyCopy URLI find threads (and opinions) of this nature to be extremely disingenuous and downright laughable.
What POC actors could possibly have been added to Little Women, The Irishman or Ford v Ferrari? Like really???
And why is that even an issue?
As a black man, what black character would I possibly have wanted to see in 1917, for example? Even though there are some POC actors in the film, it is understandable that most soldiers during that time period (1917), and during this specific war were white.
What virtue signalling pipe would I have to smoke to side-eye a genre (topic) specific film because it didn’t have POC characters or story lines?
Come on!
This sort of thinking is dangerous. You are assuming that the movies based on real-life are actually real life. Steve Zallian could have written lines for Anna Paquin if he wanted to. If someone wanted to write a PoC supporting character in 1917 or the Irishman, they could have. It was their CHOICE to not include them in there. And the sooner that we call out these creative decisions people are subconsciously making, the sooner that we can get more representation across all demographics.
ReplyCopy URLThis sort of thinking is dangerous. You are assuming that the movies based on real-life are actually real life. Steve Zallian could have written lines for Anna Paquin if he wanted to. If someone wanted to write a PoC supporting character in 1917 or the Irishman, they could have. It was their CHOICE to not include them in there. And the sooner that we call out these creative decisions people are subconsciously making, the sooner that we can get more representation across all demographics.
I agree that they could’ve included a person or color in 1917 (although, I said before, the setting was historically predominantly white) but The Irishman is based on real life, and as far as I know, there were no people of color who played a big role in the real life story. Hollywood doesn’t need to insert people of color into white people’s stories, what they need to do is create more stories based on people of color.
ReplyCopy URLI myself work in the movie buisness (cinematography) and I am a member of a critics organization (TFA), so I have to watch a lot of movies each year and at the end of the year I give my vote in each category. I am not an racist, and yet I did not find any performance by a black actor or actress (aside from Lupita Nyongo in US) worthy of award recognition. Many people can declare me a racist, thus tanting my personal opinion. Eddie Murphy did not get nominated in Dolemite. Yes, the perfomrnace was very strong. But there was even better performances by white actors that were snubbed also (Egerton, Pattinson, McKay). I am starting to feel that awards voters must feel OBLIGATED to vote for black (or asian etc) performances just not to be called racists. This is not right for me. I really doubt that all of those voters are racist and vote agains the POC. They just liked something else better. It is an easy excuse when you do not get nominated: ”They did not nominate me beacuse I am black!” NO. They did not nominate you bacause they thaught someone was better. The ”race card” is the strongest weapon in the world today.
This is the best comment I’ve ever read on this website. Hit the nail on the head. Hopefully some of these posters who bang on about racism non-stop will reflect on your comments.
ReplyCopy URLIt just happens that the best films of the year don’t have that much POC in them, What’s the big deal? Wy are we jumping on the racism factor for everything?
That would be fine if they didn’t have acclaimed films that were also big hits. Dolemite, Farewell, Hustlers & Us were all sitting right there and outside of Parasite, the only PoC lead film nominated above-the-line was Harriet.
Not taking anything away from Harriet bout of the available options and only one being a slavery film. It’s a bad look that shows that AMPAS only cares about PoC stories when their reduced to familiar stereotypes that white people are comfortable seeing them play.
Look at the lead & supporting frontrunners, one is a transformative performance in a gripping r-rated genre film and the other is a movie star performance by a world known superstar famous since the 90s leaning into star charisma to creating a distinct, memorable character. These could apply beat-for-beat towards Nyong’o & Lopez.
ReplyCopy URLI find threads (and opinions) of this nature to be extremely disingenuous and downright laughable.
What POC actors could possibly have been added to Little Women, The Irishman or Ford v Ferrari? Like really???
And why is that even an issue?
As a black man, what black character would I possibly have wanted to see in 1917, for example? Even though there are some POC actors in the film, it is understandable that most soldiers during that time period (1917), and during this specific war were white.
What virtue signalling pipe would I have to smoke to side-eye a genre (topic) specific film because it didn’t have POC characters or story lines?
Come on!
I tend to agree with you.
Imagine every film about every topic being subject to colour-blind casting.
I would await with interest the enlightened reaction to a film featuring Malcolm X, or Muhammad Ali, or Martin Luther King – in each case the character being played by a white actor.
ReplyCopy URLYou do realise that the actual Mrs Thatcher would never have spelt “colours” in the American-Englsh form?
Darling, Thatcher has been around for more than a thousand years, so of course she changes her glossary. But yes, you’re right. May the British English reign.
ReplyCopy URLAs a famous singer said, "ain't nobody gonna Thatcher, Thatcher, Thatcher!"
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