Is the Box Office Dead?

[Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1) Joined: Nov 18th, 2012 Topics: 15 Posts: 1051 View Predictions]

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After the news of Warner Bros. giving their entire 2021 release slate to HBO Max, can the theaters survive this or will they die a slow, painful death?

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[braydenfitzsimmons Joined: May 3rd, 2015 Topics: 88 Posts: 7542 View Predictions]

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I blame Tenet

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[Stank83 Joined: Mar 8th, 2020 Topics: 104 Posts: 2089 View Predictions]

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Warner sucks.
They just killed cinema.

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[OneAndOnly Joined: Mar 21st, 2017 Topics: 11 Posts: 1095 View Predictions]

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No.

People will still go to cinemas, most foreign cinemas will still get the films exclusively, and there’s no guarantee this will be super successful.

CinemaCon and next week’s Disney Investor meeting will be interesting.

I expect Disney to follow suit soon.

I’m assuming Nolan is up for grabs now…

Have a great day if you see this!

FYC:
The Great
Everything Everywhere All At Once
Severance
The Batman

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[JackO Joined: Jun 2nd, 2011 Topics: 3 Posts: 1051 View Predictions]

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till further notice, yes

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[wolfali Joined: Sep 4th, 2018 Topics: 216 Posts: 32877 View Predictions]

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It depends on what happens with No Time to Die. If it’s delayed again or does a Wonder Woman then bye bye cinemas.

FYC:

"The Good Fight", "The Other Two" and "Station Eleven" in all categories, Sarah Lancashire ("Julia"), William Jackson Harper ("Love Life") and Luke Kirby ("The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel")

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[Tooner Joined: Dec 8th, 2019 Topics: 1 Posts: 85 View Predictions]

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braydenfitzsimmons wrote:

I blame Tenet

living under a rock what happen with Tenet?

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[John Berchmans Joined: Jan 22nd, 2018 Topics: 2 Posts: 2921 View Predictions]

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Short answer, yes.

Long answer, not entirely. Theaters will continue to exist in some form for people like us who love watching movies in the theater. But they will never be the primary source of revenue for a movie studio, or the way that most people see new movies, ever again.

John's Best of 2020

Best Picture: Soul
Best Direction: The Midnight Sky
Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman
Best Actress: Viola Davis
Best Supporting Actor: Delroy Lindo
Best Supporting Actress: Amanda Seyfried
Best Screenplay: Soul

John's Best of 2021

Best Picture: Nomadland
Best Direction: Nomadland
Best Actor: Lakeith Stanfield
Best Actress: Frances McDormand
Best Supporting Actor: Daniel Kaluuya
Best Supporting Actress: Youn Yuh-Jung
Best Screenplay: Judas and the Black Messiah

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[William Gillquist Joined: Jan 1st, 2020 Topics: 14 Posts: 857 View Predictions]

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I don’t believe Theaters will entirely die. It will still have it’s fans, and many studios will still try to release films in theaters which explains why No Time to Die keeps getting delayed. And WB still releasing films in theaters along side HBO Max I think helps. I do however think it’s going out of style. So many people just don’t have the energy to see films in theaters or frankly care if it’s in theaters. And that was before COVID-19. And more studios are going to crossover to streaming because of that. We’re definitely living in a new era, thats for sure.

FYC Oscars: Licorice Pizza (Best Picture, Best Director, Original Screenplay), The Mitchells vs The Machines (Best Picture, Animated Feature, Original Screenplay), Wes Anderson (Best Director), Denzel Washington (The Tragedy of MacBeth), Andrew Garfield and Robin de Jesus (Tick, Tick...BOOM!), Jayne Houdyshell (The Humans), Stephen Karam (Adapted Screenplay), Attica and Summer of Soul (Best Documentary)

FYC Razzies: Dear Evan Hansen (in all eligible categories)

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[braydenfitzsimmons Joined: May 3rd, 2015 Topics: 88 Posts: 7542 View Predictions]

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Tooner wrote:

living under a rock what happen with Tenet?

In a nutshell

• Nolan demanded it keep its original July 17th date to play in cinemas no matter
• it was dubbed “the film to save cinema from corona”
• played in mid-to-late August forcing already closed cinema chains to re-open early
• playing to half empty theatres caused lack of profit for the chains
• cause the re-opened majority don’t have covid-related insurance bailouts or their policy were invalid when they reopened for Tenet
• with impending debts pilling up, most chains will either have to close locations or get purchased by a larger corporation
• the latter will easier with paramount decrees laws expiring soon (studios can’t own movie theatres)

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[SN Joined: Dec 7th, 2014 Topics: 4 Posts: 3535 View Predictions]

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braydenfitzsimmons wrote:

In a nutshell

• Nolan demanded it keep its original July 17th date to play in cinemas no matter
• it was dubbed “the film to save cinema from
• played in mid-to-late August forcing cinema chains to re-open
• playing to half empty theatres caused lack of profit for the chains
• cause the re-opened majority don’t have covid-related insurance bailouts.
• with impending debts pilling up, most chains will either have to close locations or get purchased by a larger corporation
• the latter will easier with paramount decrees laws expiring soon (studios can’t own movie theatres)

1) Not entirely right. He wanted to release the film once theaters in the US would reopen. That was not necessarily July.

2) Agreed.

3) Cinema chains weren’t forced to reopen. They’d have reopened without Tenet anyway.

4) Half empty theaters weren’t the main reason (to be honest, most theaters never even reached half capacity during these times lol). The fact that LA and NYC never reopened and low public interest were the main reasons.

Agree about the rest.

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[FilmRoyalty Joined: Oct 5th, 2011 Topics: 63 Posts: 2654 View Predictions]

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HBO is trying to compete in the streaming market. The Wonder Woman announcement helped but their goal is to get people to keep HBO-Max. WW1984 will definitely get more subscribers but it will not keep people there. They need material to hold people there. HBO-Max is more expensive compared to the other services and none of their current airing shows match The Crown or Mandalorian.

They will do well when House of the Dragon is released but they will need more material to keep up with the other services.

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[braydenfitzsimmons Joined: May 3rd, 2015 Topics: 88 Posts: 7542 View Predictions]

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HBO Max have the comfort tv options in Friends, Big Bang Theory, Sex and The City, and Fresh Prince. Friends & The Office helped Netflix to retain consumers more than any of their originals. Same with Disney+ and The Simpsons.

Regarding HBO own original programming, GoT, Chernobyl and True Blood were their only real general audience, watercooler, everybody knows them HITS from the past 15+ years so they’ve never really needed to have a Mandalorian or The Crown.

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[Brae Joined: Aug 3rd, 2017 Topics: 0 Posts: 259 View Predictions]

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It doesn’t help that’s for sure, the Warner plan is allegedly a one year plan but my problem lies in the fact that no one is naive enough to think that there won’t be some form of it in 2022, with early HBO Max releases after certain windows and such. If they’re pissing money I don’t understand why they don’t just keep some blockbusters for the cinema and fund new high budget franchises for HBO Max.

On a side note, I do feel like Nolan is partially to blame here with how arrogant and cocky he was. I lost so much respect for him through all this.

More chaotic than a soderbergh Oscars

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[John Berchmans Joined: Jan 22nd, 2018 Topics: 2 Posts: 2921 View Predictions]

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braydenfitzsimmons wrote:

Same with Disney+ and The Simpsons.

Well I would argue that The Mandalorian is the biggest draw for Disney Plus subscribers, then Clone Wars, the maybe The Simpsons.

John's Best of 2020

Best Picture: Soul
Best Direction: The Midnight Sky
Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman
Best Actress: Viola Davis
Best Supporting Actor: Delroy Lindo
Best Supporting Actress: Amanda Seyfried
Best Screenplay: Soul

John's Best of 2021

Best Picture: Nomadland
Best Direction: Nomadland
Best Actor: Lakeith Stanfield
Best Actress: Frances McDormand
Best Supporting Actor: Daniel Kaluuya
Best Supporting Actress: Youn Yuh-Jung
Best Screenplay: Judas and the Black Messiah

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