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    Many of the high-profile films in this year’s Oscars lineup are facing heavy controversy for one reason or another.

    This will of course mean there will be serious campaigns for those films to not win awards, and these campaigns could potentially mean serious upsets.

    Examples of said films and their respective controversies include:

    • Call Me By Your Name Accused of promoting pedophilia.
    • Darkest Hour– Gary Oldman has been accused of domestic abuse.
    • Dunkirk– Was recently revealed to have relied on prison labor for set construction. Also accused of whitewashing by not portraying Indian soldiers who helped the British during the Evacuation of Dunkirk.
    • Get Out Accused of being racist against white Americans.
    • I, Tonya– Accused of portraying domestic abuse as funny.
    • The Shape of Water– Accused of plagiarism.
    • Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri– Accused of being racist against African Americans.

    What is your opinion? And did I miss any films/controversies on this list?

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    Noah Arlington
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    Idk what even to say to this

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    Miles
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    I think there’s some truth to that, but I think it’s a byproduct of these hyper-sensitive times and low tolerance of art that makes people question their beliefs. People nowadays want art with a strict moral center they can feel good about choosing, but I would argue art isn’t supposed to do that.

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    The Guardian wrote about this: https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2018/feb/14/oscar-nominations-2018-three-billboards-racism-shape-of-water-backlash

    I know. I posted this forum because I read that article. My post was obviously more concise, lol. 🙂

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    Get Out– Accused of being racist against white Americans.
    I, Tonya– Accused of portraying domestic abuse as funny.

    These have not gotten the ink that the others have.

    "I don't even believe in god, but I'm going to thank her tonight."

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    Ted Howard
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    In today’s political climate The Post wins Best Picture .

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    GermanGuidanceSystem
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    Many of the high-profile films in this year’s Oscars lineup are facing heavy controversy for one reason or another.

    This will of course mean there will be serious campaigns for those films to not win awards, and these campaigns could potentially mean serious upsets.

    Examples of said films and their respective controversies include:

    • Call Me By Your Name Accused of promoting pedophilia.
    • Darkest HourGary Oldman has been accused of domestic abuse.
    • DunkirkWas recently revealed to have relied on prison labor for set construction. Also accused of whitewashing by not portraying Indian soldiers who helped the British during the Evacuation of Dunkirk.
    • Get Out Accused of being racist against white Americans.
    • I, TonyaAccused of portraying domestic abuse as funny.
    • The Shape of WaterAccused of plagiarism.
    • Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri– Accused of being racist against African Americans.

    What is your opinion? And did I miss any films/controversies on this list?

    Over at Awards Daily it’s been long-noticed by a number of the regular commentators that Sasha Stone has been relentlessly campaigning against Ladybird. What exactly the issue or issues a feminist would hold against Ladybird or its helmer, Greta Gerwig, is difficult to say. The other week I read an absolute pearler of a punchline-takedown she had crafted against Greta.

    Personally, I think her underlying problem with Ladybird and Greta Gerwig has been that it has been a big vote-splitting problem for two of her favourite films and directors: Get Out and Jordan Peele; and to a larger extent, Dee Rees and Mudbound. Sasha herself explicitly (and briefly) touched upon these vote splitting issues herself when sharing her thoughts on what would win SAG ensemble.

    Incidentally, I think Get Out was my favourite film of the year and I’m rooting for it to win a deserved Best Picture Oscar. I’ve certainly rewatched it many more times than any other of last year’s films.

    An issue with Dunkirk is mentioned that puts me in mind of Joanna Lumley, the host of tomorrow’s BAFTA ceremony. In the UK, Joanna Lumley has extensively campaigned on behalf of Gurkha veterans, who had been treated very poorly. Additionally, off the top of my head I’d say that I don’t think the contribution of Polish pilots with the RAF during World War II has been given anything like cinematic justice.

    Did you miss any controversies, you ask. Well, they would include those relating to Dear Basketball, Lou and Coco. My curiosity was piqued by a number of comments over on The Shorts – 2018 edition thread. I posted this “ticking time bombs” post.

    February 12, 2018 at 4:05 pm#1202492730

    I’m not from the USA and have been perplexed by the cryptic conversation surrounding Kobe Bryant on this thread.

    A little research later and I see both Kobe Bryant’s Dear Basketball and John Lasseter’s Lou are the talk of the American Animation industry and beyond.

    “And let’s address the elephant in the room: the nomination of Dear Basketball is bittersweet. While it’s delightful to see an industry icon like Glen Keane recognized for his craft, it’s impossible to overlook that his co-nominee has been accused of sexual assault. As the animation community is already struggling to contain its own bad actors – two of this year’s other animation nominees, Coco and Lou, have an executive producer accused of sexual misconduct – we don’t need to further tarnish the artform by glorifying someone like Bryant.”

    https://www.cartoonbrew.com/awards/2018-oscar-nominations-animated-feature-animated-short-vfx-156125.html

    “BREAKING: John Lasseter Takes Leave Of Absence From Pixar Following Allegations Of ‘Grabbing, Kissing’ And ‘The Lasseter’ Move

    “Though the reports in the Hollywood Reporter and Variety may be shocking to the public, Lasseter’s behavior has been one of the animation industry’s worst-kept secrets, known to many Pixar and Disney employees.”

    https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/breaking-john-lasseter-takes-leave-absence-pixar-following-missteps-154881.html

    “Pixar’s John Lasseter Was the Subject of a ‘Whisper Network’ for More Than Two Decades.”

    “She said managers chose to thwart her career rather than “have difficult conversations with the most important, high-ranking and powerful man in the company.”

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/john-lasseter-pixar-disney-whisper-network-1202620960/

    “Over 13,000 People Have Signed A Petition To Take Away Kobe Bryant’s Oscar Nomination For ‘Dear Basketball’”
    [it’s now over 16,000]

    https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/678/266/652/take-oscar-nomination-away-from-kobe-byrant-a-known-rapist/

    “Remember When Kobe Bryant Was Charged With Rape? I Didn’t Forget, and Neither Should You”

    “Interestingly, nasty remarks about gay people can be forgiven. In fact, it seems you can’t be elected governor of a Southern state without being a homophobe. Kobe, the role model, called a ref a “faggot.” He apologized, paid a fine, and it was like it never happened.”

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kobe-bryants-rape-charge-i-885653

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    Well, in the Harvey Weinstein etc era, I would be surprised if the voters of AMPAS would be prepared to give an Oscar and a platform to either of these two potential ticking time bombs.

    Plus, after watching all of the animated shorts, I found Lou to be very good though not great, and Dear Basketball to be a bit of an ego trip.
    In Best Animated Feature I concur with the consensus view that Coco is wondrous and justly undeniable.

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    Well, in the Harvey Weinstein etc era, I would be surprised if the voters of AMPAS would be prepared to give an Oscar and a platform to either of these two potential ticking time bombs.

    They can and they will— all for the glamour of having Kobe Bryant up on that stage to accept the award. Oldman referred to Nancy Pelosi as a “fucking useless c**t”. He’s still going to win. It’s all for show.

    Lady Bird is as harmless and inoffensive as a nominee can get. The only small rumblings I’ve seen are from those decrying “white feminism” or don’t believe Gerwig spoke up quickly enough about Woody Allen.  I think you’re spot on in recognizing that blogger’s attacks for what they are- a knee-jerk defense of her favorites.

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    Aameson
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    In today’s political climate The Post wins Best Picture .

    If that happens I will officially quit the Oscars.

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    Regarding Kobe’s rape case it’s always been kind of incredible to me that it never amounted to anything more than a minor speedbump for him. Every time I hear his name or see his face I think about it – and it was what 15 years ago? I’ve certainly felt in my own little vacuum on that particular matter.. It’s a little annoying to hear people bringing it up again like it suddenly matters now.

    Just this year Argentinian feminists have started protesting a monument to the the boxer Carlos Monzon that was erected more than 20 years ago. Monzon battered and murdered his wife in 1988.

    Regarding the various protests and outrage being directed at the nominated films I can appreciate the focus being placed there but for some / soon to be many (it seems likely) we’re probably getting to the point now where a lot of this stuff is starting to cancel itself out.

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    Let’s start over, then 🙂

    The Big Sick, Dunkirk, Get Out, Lady Bird, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Wonder Woman for BP!

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    aahoto
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    I wouldn’t call Nancy Pelosi a c***, but she is pretty useless as a politician. So Oldman wasn’t 100% wrong about her.

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    I wouldn’t call Nancy Pelosi a c***, but she is pretty useless as a politician. So Oldman wasn’t 100% wrong about her.

    Whether Pelosi is a good politician or not is entirely beside the point. The point is G-Old’s sexist and problematic rhetoric.

    (And yes, he’s still winning.)

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    Well, in the Harvey Weinstein etc era, I would be surprised if the voters of AMPAS would be prepared to give an Oscar and a platform to either of these two potential ticking time bombs.

    They can and they will— all for the glamour of having Kobe Bryant up on that stage to accept the award. Oldman referred to Nancy Pelosi as a “fucking useless c**t”. He’s still going to win. It’s all for show.

    Lady Bird is as harmless and inoffensive as a nominee can get. The only small rumblings I’ve seen are from those decrying “white feminism” or don’t believe Gerwig spoke up quickly enough about Woody Allen. I think you’re spot on in recognizing that blogger’s attacks for what they are- a knee-jerk defense of her favorites.

    Thanks for the validation.

    I do happen to think that her site is the most readable and interesting awards blog on the net, but the rigid hierarchical view underlying her politically driven ranking and treatment of people and of movies is relentless.

    Another example: she still only seems to have good words to say about Hilary Clinton and bad words about Bernie Sanders. She openly despises Bernie Sanders.

    Hilary Clinton > Bernie Sanders
    White female > white man

    They were rivals for the same position, with Bernie Sanders proving a very popular candidate. Thus, all told, Bernie Sanders was the enemy and needed to be diminished and portrayed as a baddie.

    Mudbound > Lady Bird
    Covers (though obviously not exclusively) Black experience > (mainly) white female experience
    Racism explored > racism not explored

    Get Out > Lady Bird
    Covers (though obviously not exclusively) Black experience > (mainly) white female experience
    Racism explored > racism not explored

    Rivals for the same awards, with Lady Bird seeming a very popular candidate. Thus, all told, Lady Bird is a threat, is the enemy, and needs to be diminished out of the race.

    Dee Rees > Greta Gerwig
    Black female > white female

    Jordan Peele > Greta Gerwig
    Black male > white female

    Again, rivals for the same awards, with Greta Gerwig a very popular candidate. Thus, all told, Greta Gerwig is a threat, is the enemy, and needs to be diminished out of the race.

    A related ranking aspect is the capacity of a film’s themes to provide a challenge or counterpoint to those held by Donald Trump. It seems the staff at Awards Daily think the Academy Award for Best Picture should be renamed the Academy Award for Best Picture That Sticks It To Trump.

    Lady Bird doesn’t provide a commentary on racism, does not pose an obvious challenge to the views of Donald Trump, so is deemed unimportant and unworthy.

    An irony is, to return to that Democratic nomination contest, that the majority of polls and post election analyses I read (and have read) suggested that Bernie Sanders, as the Democratic candidate, would have beaten Trump.

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