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This post was found to be inappropriate by the moderators and has been removed.Depends how much credence you give to the crossover between popularity and IMDb ratings I guess. Plus, it’s no surprise this year has lesser seen/ discussed/ loved titles when nobody’s seeing them in cinemas. That said, 2011, 2013 and 2018 only had 1 film score an 8 or above (The Help, Django, Three Billboards), 2016 saw La La Land get an 8 and Hacksaw Ridge an 8.1, and that’s generally the pattern for most years. Only Green Book scored over 8 in 2019, with BoRhap getting an 8. If we’re measuring it by least seen therefore least popular then you’re right, but like I say there’s obvious reasons mitigating for that.
So, I think we’re blowing this year’s relatively low ratings out of proportion if we’re calling this the least popular year ever. In fact, the ratings aren’t even low. I think this is a broadly well-loved, uncontroversial list of nominations. Nomadland is crushing the race to little protest, Minari, The Father, Judas and Sound of Metal have no detractors at all really and are well loved audience favourites, Chicago has a lot of fans, as does Promising Young Woman and Mank is your standard well-received but not beloved Hollywood drama. I think it’s a good year and the reception to the nominees attests to that.
ReplyCopy URLYes. Without any doubt. And we all know the reasons.
We will, however, still see many “I have unpopular opinions” people claiming “it’s not the weakest one in recent years” by saying how good certain films are. They never understand what the real question is.
Edit: lol a guy said “but we got higher IMDb rating this year”…sorry but you forgot to consider the number of votes. “Least popular” is not “least good”.
ReplyCopy URLYes. Without any doubt. And we all know the reasons. We will, however, still see many “I have unpopular opinions” people claiming “it’s not the weakest one in recent years” by saying how good certain films are. They never understand what the real question is lol.
Just to evidence why I’m not an “I have unpopular opinions” person, whatever that is, the original post in this thread uses IMDb ratings to measure popularity on an all-time scale. I would go back further historically to prove the point that it isn’t the least popular using that metric, but I only have to go back to 2011 to prove it. The average rating of the 9 films that year was 7.43. The average rating of films this year is 7.65. Therefore, by the rules of this post, I’m not going against the grain or talking about my subjective opinions, I’m just stating a fact when I say there have been less popular years, per IMDb scores.
ReplyCopy URLJust to evidence why I’m not an “I have unpopular opinions” person, whatever that is, the original post in this thread uses IMDb ratings to measure popularity on an all-time scale. I would go back further historically to prove the point that it isn’t the least popular using that metric, but I only have to go back to 2011 to prove it. The average rating of the 9 films that year was 7.43. The average rating of films this year is 7.65. Therefore, by the rules of this post, I’m not going against the grain or talking about my subjective opinions, I’m just stating a fact when I say there have been less popular years, per IMDb scores.
Also, using the same logic, 2021 has a higher average rating amongst its BP nominees than 2018, which is surprising but true. 2018’s average is 7.58, so I didn’t even need to go back to 2011.
ReplyCopy URLYes absolutely no question about it and catastrophic ratings will reflect that. Mind you, ratings are naturally in free fall. They went down when Black Panther was nominated. They went down when Joker was nominated. Blockbuster nominees didn’t fix them cause free fall continued. It’s the nature of the show itself. Everyone knows the winner as soon as Golden Globes roll and it’s almost always some cinephile favorite that masses ignore. So no point to tune in to see if BP/Joker will win when they obviously won’t cause every award headline before the Oscars had some indie title as the winner of so and so important award. At least this year all movies are unseen by non-cinephiles so no one is fooled and it doesn’t matter what wins since people ignored all of them.
ReplyCopy URLTo be clear, if we’re expanding to talk about ratings for the show itself and how many people have seen the films, then I’m 100% with those here arguing that those figures will be at an all time low, although the ‘cinephile’ argument is silly. My family have watched several of these films with me this year and have loved them all despite having no interest in the Oscars/ film generally. Not that I call myself a cinephile (who actually would?), but I do always watch dozens of films released every year, but I digress. There’s no doubting those figures will be lower, and it’s obvious that cinema closures, a pandemic year, and a lack of big name films have been a key reason for that for many reasons, alongside a general decline in Oscar viewership anyway. I’m just arguing that in terms of film quality, which this thread was originally about, this year’s films have better ratings than several years before them.
ReplyCopy URLJust to evidence why I’m not an “I have unpopular opinions” person, whatever that is, the original post in this thread uses IMDb ratings to measure popularity on an all-time scale. I would go back further historically to prove the point that it isn’t the least popular using that metric, but I only have to go back to 2011 to prove it. The average rating of the 9 films that year was 7.43. The average rating of films this year is 7.65. Therefore, by the rules of this post, I’m not going against the grain or talking about my subjective opinions, I’m just stating a fact when I say there have been less popular years, per IMDb scores.
Higher IMDb rating so what?
Do you count and consider the number of votes? This topic is not “least good” year but “least popular” in recent years. You misunderstood the question.
ReplyCopy URLHigher IMDb rating so what? Do you count and consider the number of votes? This topic is not “least good” year but “least popular” in recent years.
I was just using the framework of the original post by Robert who started this thread, where he talks about IMDb ratings, so I assumed that’s all he was asking the question about.
I can’t really factor in the number of votes anyway, considering those films had cinema releases, post-Oscar viewing boosts and several years after their release for people to rate them.
ReplyCopy URLI don’t think it’s particularly fair to compare films that came out four months ago to films that came out a year and a half ago’s IMDB votes. At least not until we’re two months past the Oscars. A lot of these films do get a boost in visibility after the Oscars (with Jojo Rabbit being at 80k votes this time last year and over 300k votes now being the most prominent example) and they probably will get more of boost this year.
In terms of popularity I’d say it’s a mixed bunch in the field this year. Sans Jojo Rabbit and Parasite (which both received a bump from the academy into the zeitgeist), each of the Best Picture nominees were more or less expensive studio films designed to be big zeitgeisty hits.
This year the closest things we have to those big films are Promising Young Woman and The Trial of the Chicago 7 (both of which are the only films I’ve heard people who don’t follow the Oscars or aren’t a part of Twitter actually talk or hear about). Minari and Nomadland are the usual type of indie fare produced by Searchlight and A24 that we’ve seen more and more in the Oscars race like Room, Moonlight and Boyhood. Mank is a film only cinephiles care about and that’s with or without a pandemic. In spite of having two recognisable faces LEADING the film and being on HBO Max, Judas and the Black Messiah is surprisingly not that popular. Time will tell whether that’s because it’s a late breaker like Phantom Thread was or because of the pandemic. Sound of Metal is surprisingly popular for what it is but it’s still a film I only hear about with cinephiles.
The Father might have a chance at proving to be a big hit. It’s already been doing quite well on VOD charts since it got released and its international roll out goes into August(!) so there’s a chance this film could actually be a box office hit internationally and generate an actual word of mouth. It could be like The Personal History of David Copperfield was for two months before the lockdown in the UK.
To cut a long story short I’d say that whilst there’s general apathy towards this season (which how could there not be because how many people care about awards during a devastating pandemic when they are only superficially aware of two of the nominated films, aren’t able to go out into cinemas like they used to and people are more taken by the likes of television shows like Bridgerton, The Crown, The Queen’s Gambit, Wandavision etc). However I’d say time (roughly a year) will only tell us how big a welcome hug these films are given by the zeitgeist considering how much of an Oscar bump we see many films get in normal years and how there might be more of a bump this year. The Oscar ratings will still crash nonetheless.
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