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March 13, 2020 at 2:01 pm #1203380557
Let’s settle this: Who deserved the Oscar?
And who deserved in 1985? Streep for Out of Africa or Lange for Sweet Dreams?
https://letterboxd.com/cherry123/March 13, 2020 at 2:15 pm #1203380566
There both iconic performances but Streep just delivered one of the best of all time in Sophie’s Choice. And I feel Lange should have won for Sweet Dreams. Just Technically speaking Streep is the better actress, the way she approaches characters and dialects and movements shes like a scholar when she takes on a role. Just Emotionally speaking Lange is the better actress the way she explodes on screen and oozes confidence unlike any other actress or actor I’ve ever seen, shes like lighting in a bottle or a feral wolf. When she let’s go she let’s everything go. She leaves nothing to be desired and almost leaves you drained just watching her because of all the emotions she left on the screen. Lange for me is my favourite Actress. This is obviously just my opinion.March 13, 2020 at 5:28 pm #1203380679
I love both, but yea emotionally speaking Jessica tugs at the heart more.
You know who is a great combo of the two? Marion Cotillard.March 13, 2020 at 5:43 pm #1203380685
I agree Marion is an amazing combination of them, and I feel like shes kne of the most underrated actress. And yes Jessica knows how to pull at you’re heart stringsMarch 13, 2020 at 9:41 pm #1203380742
It’s unfortunate that two of the best performances ever came in the same year. At least Lange got the Supporting for Tootsie in which I think she is also very good.
Streep had the bigger challenge and manages to be charming, tragic, and even funny at times. Plus she acts in a foreign language (two) which is incredibly hard. Getting those inflections and cadences of a language not your own is very challenging. Look at how few non-native English speakers have managed to act in English. (Marion Cotillard is actually one of the best at that there ever was.)
Streep is more versatile. She can do comedy. Lange is fiercely intense though in everything she does. I saw her on stage in Long Days Journey into Night and she just filled that whole theater with emotion. It was electric.March 14, 2020 at 2:01 am #1203380883
For some reason my vote won’t register.
Anyway, its for Meryl mainly because at the time I believed her performance to be far superior. Back in 1983 I thought Lange was shrill in a terrible film.
Fast forward to a couple of years ago when I re-watched both the films I found Streep lacking. Technically she is great but one can see the acting wheels in motion and Sophie’s Choice has not aged well.
I loathed Frances when I first saw it on its original release, though Lange was perfect casting but had a horrid script and direction that even she couldn’t overcome. Time has been kinder to Frances. I think the film is mediocre now rather than awful and Lange for impressive that I did back in 1983. If the film had had a better screenplay and a decent director she would have shined brighter in it for me.
As for 1985, I like Streep in the at times bloated Out of Africa and it doesn’t help her that her and Robert Redford have zero chemistry. On the other hand Jessica Lange is brilliant as Patsy Cline in Sweet Dreams which I rank up there with Coal Miner’s Daughter. Jessica Lange’s performance in Sweet Dreams is my personal choice for Best Actress of 1985 – I pretty much in itself says what I think of her performance.March 14, 2020 at 4:27 am #1203380936
I don’t particularly care for the narrative that Lange is the Anti-Streep. Lange is a sex goddess whose primary motivation as a dramatic performer is to let loose shapeless emotion. Which is why her work is uneven despite how often it entertains wherever it arrives.
Streep lacks identifiable character. She’s a technician fully committed to making sure you’re aware of how the train is progressing once it leaves the station. I think Streep’s work in Sophie is equivalent to what Cate Blanchett does. With the right scripted material it sings but in other projects it feels widely inappropriate almost drag queen-ish in how unlike a cis woman it actually is.March 14, 2020 at 4:47 am #1203380948
neither of their works in 85 stood out to me, would’ve gladly replaced either one of them with cher’s win-worthy performance in mask
She’s not better than Page and Goldberg that year.March 14, 2020 at 7:14 am #1203380991
Odd, I’d give neither of them a win in either race.
Julie Andrews in ‘82 (maybe Spacek if I’m in the right mood); I mean, come on: what a film, what a performance.
And in ‘85 I actually prefer all three other nominated performances to those of Lange and Streep, though I don’t really love any of those performances. I suppose I’m partial to Goldberg.March 14, 2020 at 9:37 am #1203381129
Lange and Streep were definitely on another level compared to the other nominees in 82. Really can’t decide between the two. I’m just glad Lange won for Tootsie so that’s a nice consolation prize for her I guess.
As for 85, I thought Lange was great but nobody tops Goldberg that year. Streep was ok in Out of Africa. Personally, I would have snubbed her and Bancroft for Cher, Mia Farrow, or Kathleen Turner.March 14, 2020 at 10:09 am #1203381149
I seem to agree with many of you. Streep is definitely the most technically proficient actress and maybe even more versatile but there is something so emotional and raw and relentless about Lange.
I definitely feel they were worthy of nominations in 1985. I most certainly would’ve put Cher and Mia Farrow in their places.
I love the Marion Cotillard reference too!
“The art of making art is putting it together...”March 14, 2020 at 11:24 am #1203381189
Easy vote for Streep in “Sophie’s Choice.”
Poll function isn’t working, BTW.March 15, 2020 at 7:02 am #1203381882
Best Actress - Viola Davis
Best Actor - Delroy Lindo
Best Supp Actress - Glenn Close
Best Supp Actor - Chadwick BosemanMarch 15, 2020 at 10:00 am #1203381971
OSCAR LEAD ACTRESS
Geraldine Page – The Trip to Bountiful – WINNER
Anne Bancroft – Agnes of God
Whoopi Goldberg – The Color Purple
Jessica Lange – Sweet Dreams
Meryl Streep – Out of Africa
I would have voted for Whoopi Goldberg out of this lineup, but Cher from Mask should have replaced wither Anne Bancroft or Meryl Streep. Outside of the visuals of Out of Africa, the movie was a bore.
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