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  • lorelei lor
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    It seems to me that every year the contender that generates the most butthurt (Leo, Casey Affleck, Gary Oldman, Rami Malik) wins the Oscar. Since the anti Joaquin stans are so against him winning it will probably happen lol

    Not only that but the movies that received the most backlash won Picture (GB) and the most trophies (BR).

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    Dana S.
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    It was like 80% of people wanting him to win. And a minority who didn’t want that.

    And still Leo was mocked for winning. That minority was quite loud and memorable. I am glad they were disappointed in the end.

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    Marcel
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    You do know that not all the critics and reviewers at VFF were to post at RT.

    Then give us the correct link instead of misleading people.

    When you pasted the link you made it look like one could find there the reviews saying what you said about his performance.

    I’m specially curious to read the review(s) saying he’s “this decade’s best male lead performance.” like you said in this thread.

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    wattsgold
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    Was Leo generating a lot of butthurt in 2016? I thought everyone wanted him to finally win.

    LOL, the question at the beginning!!!

    I can’t

    we need some rephrasing

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    Dorsey
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    Does this dude post about anything except Joker?

    brb stanning Adam Driver

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    Hammad Asif
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    There were people who loudly complained that it was career achievement award, mocked the scene with the bear and Leo eating raw meat, all that.

    I’m glad Leo won.

    Lol,Leo literally killed it in The Revenant all spiritually,physically and verbally.I am glad he won 34 lead actor awards that year including all the major industry awards.That was good time.

    Then give us the correct link instead of misleading people.

    When you pasted the link you made it look like one could find there the reviews saying what you said about his performance.

    I’m specially curious to read the review(s) saying he’s “this decade’s best male lead performance.” like you said in this thread.

    That was a tweet and I’ll be posting all the Joker @VFF tweets or text you.You don’t want Joaquin to win,that’s okay but dude Joaquin is one hell of an actor and he has killed it as Arthur Fleck/Joker.

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    Thatcher, Former Prime Minister of GoldDerby
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    Darlings, if Joker Phoenix is undeniable and Clownery is nominated for Best Picture, he’s winning.

    I was your Prime Minister once.

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    thatnerdgreg
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    Seeing this Revenant talk makes me think of that rumor claiming Leo got raped by a bear. Good times.

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    Daniel B.
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    Is he this year’s Leo? Reviews from Venice certainly boost his chances

    I predict that Joaquin Phoenix will be this year’s Leo, but not one that results in him winning an Oscar for The Joker. His success at the Oscars may mirror that of DiCaprio’s with The Wolf of Wall Street. Many will hail it as the best performance of his career, but I don’t think voters will want to award him for the same character they awarded Heath Ledger a posthumous Oscar for.

    It isn’t necessarily that it’s a comic book movie or that someone else won for playing the same part (although these points don’t help), but Ledger’s win was historic, and awarding Phoenix would almost seem like a disrespect to the late Ledger.

    Someone pointed out that De Niro won Best Supporting Actor for playing Vito Corleone in The Godfather: Part II, two years after Brando won Lead Actor for playing the same role. Keep in mind, Brando’s acceptance of the award was a giant slap in the face to the Academy, and it may have actually helped De Niro’s chances.

    Not winning an Oscar for The Joker will draw attention to the fact that Phoenix is one of, if not the most overdue actor for an Oscar. Like The Wolf of Wall Street was DiCaprio’s 4th nomination, The Joker would be Phoenix’s fourth as well.

    The Academy will probably want to award Joaquin Phoenix for a more Oscar-y movie.

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    lorelei lor
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    I think Joaquin will be the sole nomination for his movie. He’s not winning no matter how overdue he is. Remember Glenn Close?

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    Milk Money
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    I don’t think Joaquin’s winning this year.

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    John Berchmans
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    LOL, the question at the beginning!!! I can’t we need some rephrasing

    I was asking a question. How does that need rephrasing?

    For Your Consideration.

    Best Picture: Parasite, Jojo Rabbit, Joker, Ford v Ferrari
    Best Director: Bong-Joon Ho, Taika Waititi, Todd Phillips
    Best Actor: Joaquin Phoenix, Robert Pattinson, Roman Griffin Davis, Christian Bale
    Best Actress: Lupita Nyong'o
    Best Supporting Actor: Willem Dafoe, Song Kang-Ho, Sam Rockwell
    Best Supporting Actress: Thomasin McKensie, Cho Yeo-Jeong
    Best Adapted Screenplay: Jojo Rabbit, Joker
    Best Original Screenplay: Parasite, Ford v Ferrari

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    James Breheney
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    I don’t think it’s happening because critics are obviously against it. They won’t push him because 1) They don’t want him to win 2) They don’t think he has a shot and won’t predict him. They are too powerful these days and they know that. Even if he gets a Globe win, he would probably lose SAG to the other Globe winning actor and the BAFTA as well. If he was british, he would have a better shot, winning Globe + BAFTA.

    The critics are not against it. It currently has RT and Metacritic scores of 89 and 75 respectively. His role and character are catnip to the HFPA so he’s likely a definite nomination/win there. After that point critics are irrelevant. It’s the industry that decides and Phoenix does have a very good overdue narrative to carry him.

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    wattsgold
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    I was asking a question. How does that need rephrasing?

    Mmmm… never mind. Let’s move on.

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    Miles
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    Excuse me,Wasn’t Leo’s performance in Revenant best acting in lead role in the year 2015.You can’t win 34 acting awards in 1 season solely on overdue narrative.

    What was Leo’s performance in the Revenant? He grunted and suffered for 2 and a half hours. His award was 75% based on overdue narrative and 25% based on his “commitment” to the role and weak competition.

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