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    Daniel B.
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    Is he this year’s Leo? Reviews from Venice certainly boost his chances

    I predict that Joaquin Phoenix will be this year’s Leo, but not one that results in him winning an Oscar for The Joker. His success at the Oscars may mirror that of DiCaprio’s with The Wolf of Wall Street. Many will hail it as the best performance of his career, but I don’t think voters will want to award him for the same character they awarded Heath Ledger a posthumous Oscar for.

    It isn’t necessarily that it’s a comic book movie or that someone else won for playing the same part (although these points don’t help), but Ledger’s win was historic, and awarding Phoenix would almost seem like a disrespect to the late Ledger.

    Someone pointed out that De Niro won Best Supporting Actor for playing Vito Corleone in The Godfather: Part II, two years after Brando won Lead Actor for playing the same role. Keep in mind, Brando’s acceptance of the award was a giant slap in the face to the Academy, and it may have actually helped De Niro’s chances.

    Not winning an Oscar for The Joker will draw attention to the fact that Phoenix is one of, if not the most overdue actor for an Oscar. Like The Wolf of Wall Street was DiCaprio’s 4th nomination, The Joker would be Phoenix’s fourth as well.

    The Academy will probably want to award Joaquin Phoenix for a more Oscar-y movie.

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    I think Joaquin will be the sole nomination for his movie. He’s not winning no matter how overdue he is. Remember Glenn Close?

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    I don’t think Joaquin’s winning this year.

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    John Berchmans
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    LOL, the question at the beginning!!! I can’t we need some rephrasing

    I was asking a question. How does that need rephrasing?

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    I don’t think it’s happening because critics are obviously against it. They won’t push him because 1) They don’t want him to win 2) They don’t think he has a shot and won’t predict him. They are too powerful these days and they know that. Even if he gets a Globe win, he would probably lose SAG to the other Globe winning actor and the BAFTA as well. If he was british, he would have a better shot, winning Globe + BAFTA.

    The critics are not against it. It currently has RT and Metacritic scores of 89 and 75 respectively. His role and character are catnip to the HFPA so he’s likely a definite nomination/win there. After that point critics are irrelevant. It’s the industry that decides and Phoenix does have a very good overdue narrative to carry him.

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    I was asking a question. How does that need rephrasing?

    Mmmm… never mind. Let’s move on.

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    Excuse me,Wasn’t Leo’s performance in Revenant best acting in lead role in the year 2015.You can’t win 34 acting awards in 1 season solely on overdue narrative.

    What was Leo’s performance in the Revenant? He grunted and suffered for 2 and a half hours. His award was 75% based on overdue narrative and 25% based on his “commitment” to the role and weak competition.

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    What was Leo’s performance in the Revenant? He grunted and suffered for 2 and a half hours. His award was 75% based on overdue narrative and 25% based on his “commitment” to the role and weak competition.

    It’s been 4 yrs and still whinging.You don’t win 34 lead actor award including top critics award solely on overdue narrative.His performance was committed physically and spiritually.That was Leo unlike ever.Sure overdue narrative played huge part but it wasn’t 75% LOL.

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    It was like 80% of people wanting him to win.

    And a minority who didn’t want that.

    Way more then 20% of people complained. I was on here that entire awards season lol

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    It seems to me that every year the contender that generates the most butthurt (Leo, Casey Affleck, Gary Oldman, Rami Malik) wins the Oscar. Since the anti Joaquin stans are so against him winning it will probably happen lol

    lmao on that note, it’s crazy to me that I watch so many people on actress-obsessed GD tell themselves year after year that they don’t care about the actor category, yet get insanely worked up about it anyway. Not that I’m complaining because the drama mess is what’s keeping me going at this point but still.

    So yes, pls hate Joaquin, it would be soOoOOO terrible if he won… j/k… unless?

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    How can you say critics are too powerful when Rami Malek won BA in a movie that was given 62% by critics? Or Bale was nominated for Vice with 65% from critics?

    They were both acclaimed by critics even if the movies as a whole weren’t. Malek won a lot of critics circles’ awards, btw. If critics had tried to destroy his campaign, they would have. They just didn’t bother . His Best Actor win on the Globes wasn’t even a surprise, everyone was expecting him to win for weeks.

    They were too busy trying to bring Close down on the Best Actress race and guess what? It worked after all. Critics decide who’s getting traction or not, and the Globes decide who’s winning after that.

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    The critics are not against it. It currently has RT and Metacritic scores of 89 and 75 respectively. His role and character are catnip to the HFPA so he’s likely a definite nomination/win there. After that point critics are irrelevant. It’s the industry that decides and Phoenix does have a very good overdue narrative to carry him.

    I wasn’t talking about scores, but about narratives and you know, that “push”. I doubt critics are going to push him hard.

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    I wasn’t talking about scores, but about narratives and you know, that “push”. I doubt critics are going to push him hard.

    If he wins it wont be because critics anointed him, he would win a la Malek as the populist choice on televised awards.

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    They were both acclaimed by critics even if the movies as a whole weren’t. Malek won a lot of critics circles’ awards, btw. If critics had tried to destroy his campaign, they would have. They just didn’t bother . His Best Actor win on the Globes wasn’t even a surprise, everyone was expecting him to win for weeks. They were too busy trying to bring Close down on the Best Actress race and guess what? It worked after all. Critics decide who’s getting traction or not, and the Globes decide who’s winning after that.

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    Here is Malek’s scorecard– in reality he had very few critics’ awards. Malek wasn’t acclaimed, he was simply the better part of the movie that otherwise got very mixed reviews yet was a huge crowd pleaser and made a lot of cash. Critics were showering their  awards on Ethan Hawke instead of Malek, so if they are so powerful as you claim it’s strange they couldn’t make Hawke happen since Hawke was the most beloved actor by critics yet he wasn’t even nominated for Oscar for this performance.

    Also people were hugely surprised that Malek won GG, I remember predictions on GD, and he wasn’t predicted to win it.

    As for Close- critics brought her down? Lol, Close was brought down by her fellow acting peers and industry people when they gave BAFTA to another actress and that was the end, basically.

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    <p style=”text-align: center;”> </p> Here is Malek’s scorecard– in reality he had very few critics’ awards. Malek wasn’t acclaimed, he was simply the better part of the movie that otherwise got very mixed reviews yet was a huge crowd pleaser and made a lot of cash. Critics were showering their awards on Ethan Hawke instead of Malek, so if they are so powerful as you claim it’s strange they couldn’t make Hawke happen since Hawke was the most beloved actor by critics yet he wasn’t even nominated for Oscar for this performance. Also people were hugely surprised that Malek won GG, I remember predictions on GD, and he wasn’t predicted to win it. As for Close- critics brought her down? Lol, Close was brought down by her fellow acting peers when they gave BAFTA to another actress and that was the end, basically.

    You mean the experts? Then yeah, sometimes they are incredibly clueless.  As for members I remember many predicting Malek to win the Globe so it wasn’t a surprise for half the people in here.

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