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  • John Locke
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    I just watched Joker and even though Joaquin Phoenix is pretty great in it, I found it terribly boring and slow-paced. I think that some of its parts were pretentious and the flashbacks overexplaining the movie were dull choices. Also, its message is too far-left. Avengers: Endgame was a far better movie and if the Academy wants to reward a comic book movie, they should nominate Endgame instead of this one. It was a better movie.

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    EsOS
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    After much thoughts, I’ve come to the conclusion that the only reason this film work is because of Joaquin’s performance.

    Banned for making a fake movie poster

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    AmnistY21
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    You are aware that was a delusion right?

    Phillips said that the viewers are supposed to decide whether it was real or not. I don’t think it was all in Arthur’s head at the end. It just doesn’t make sense he’s telling the story the whole time. First of all why would a delusional and insane person explain how they were delusional and insane? Second of all why throw that classic scene of Bruce’s parents dying in there if it was all in his head considering he wasn’t even present when that happened?

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    Nikhil
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    I’m still processing but here is how I feel- Joker was a thrilling and entertaining film but not without its flaws. Overall, I would say it’s pretty great for what it is.

    I don’t seem to have the same problems with the screenplay that many of the folks here have. My biggest issue was that the script lacked subtlety, but it seems many here thought the way it handled its subject matter was an issue and felt that they didn’t do a good enough job explaining his origin/upbringing. To the latter point, I would disagree with that criticism. Joker shows that a fucked upbringing and untreated mental illness paired with an indifferent or even antagonistic society is a recipe for a ticking time bomb. Joaquin Phoenix nails the unhinged intensity of the Joker, slowly boiling up like a pressure cooker until he hits the point of no return. Joker is a timely warning to society to demonstrate more compassion and empathy because without it we can breed monsters who want to see our society burn. It isn’t an easy pill to swallow, especially when it puts some of the blame on us for the actions of killers.

    I love that a commercial movie took risks with a subject matter like this, because it inspires conversation amongst ordinary moviegoers. It was great to see groups huddled outside the theater talking about the ideas of the movie. My friends and I had an incredible conversation after, and they aren’t the types like us who spend their time debating film on online forums. No, it doesn’t challenge to the same level as a lot of other more prestigious fare, but for what it is I think Joker smartly raises some interesting ideas.

    Deeply unsettling, entertaining, uneven, socially irresponsible, and potentially dangerous, Joker is a movie that couldn’t have landed at better time. It effectively gets under your skin and paints a bleak outlook for our society and humanity at large- a reality where we hate one another so much that people like Joker exist.

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    My personal Top 5 of 2019 so far:
    1) Parasite 2) The Farewell 3) Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 4) The Irishman 5) Knives Out

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    nevkm
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    Joaquin’s absolutely amazing in it and the soundtrack’s really haunting. I didn’t find it boring or slow-paced at all. This movie emphasizes how important care and support are to people struggling with mental disorders. You simply don’t know when an act of kindness could stop someone from losing all hope. Seems logical why Arthur would chose mayhem and violence when he’s known nothing but misery, exclusion and pain all his life. I have sympathy for his position as a mentally-ill person and the abuse he went through especially as a child but this doesn’t mean I condone what he did. And nobody should. Despite his suffering I don’t see him as a misunderstood anti-hero but a villain in the truest sense of the word. One can feel sorry for Arthur the child and the outcast and bullied adult who struggles to make a living but not for the Joker. He’s a monster through and through.

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    RobertPius
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    When in the film did they say the character was abused as a child? By the mother? I missed that part.

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    John Berchmans
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    When in the film did they say the character was abused as a child? By the mother? I missed that part.

    It’s mentioned in the file that his “mother” had an abusive boyfriend. Also in the flashback/vision Arkham scene, the psychiatrist said they found Arthur tied to the radiator with bruises all over and trauma to the head.

    BP: Parasite, Jojo Rabbit, Joker, Ford v Ferrari, Marriage Story,
    BD: Bong-Joon Ho, Taika Waititi, Todd Phillips, Noah Baumbach
    Actor: Joaquin Phoenix, Robert Pattinson, Adam Driver, Roman Griffin Davis, Christian Bale
    Actress: Lupita Nyong'o, Scarlett Johansson
    S. Actor: Willem Dafoe, Song Kang-Ho, Sam Rockwell, Al Pacino, Alan Alda
    S. Actress: Laura Dern, Thomasin McKensie, Cho Yeo-Jeong
    AS: Jojo Rabbit, Joker, The Irishman
    OS: Parasite, Marriage Story, Ford v Ferrari

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    Greg
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    When in the film did they say the character was abused as a child? By the mother? I missed that part.

    What?! When he stole the documents of his mother at the hospital where she was when she was younger… there was a whole flashback scene that explained it after that. How could you miss it 😅

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    RobertPius
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    I remembered that they said the mother was unstable but I forgot about the abuse. (or maybe I fell asleep. I saw it early in the morning without much sleep the night before!) Is it a long flashback or just a brief mention by the psychiatrist?

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    Atypical
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    I remembered that they said the mother was unstable but I forgot about the abuse. (or maybe I fell asleep. I saw it early in the morning without much sleep the night before!) Is it a long flashback or just a brief mention by the psychiatrist?

    It was a solid-length flashback scene between the psychiatrist and young Penny at Arkham. Arthur’s abuse was clearly spelled out.

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    RobertPius
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    It was a solid-length flashback scene between the psychiatrist and young Penny at Arkham. Arthur’s abuse was clearly spelled out.

    Damn. I must have fallen asleep. I totally don’t remember that. I’ll have to see it again sometime.

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    Why are we pretending the idea that society can breed monsters is super deep? It’s not new, its not deep, and this film didn’t do anything groundbreaking like the stans say.

    If it took Joker for you to understand such an obvious truth that society treats people poorly and can shape people’s decisions, you should probably not be on a film analysis forum.

    But then, there’s this idea that Arthur isn’t responsible at all. I know this wasn’t the intended message of the film, but it can definitely be seen in that light. His first murders were self defense, his next few murders (talkshow host, mother, fake girlfriend) were in revenge due to their mistreatment of him. I’m sorry, but being the butt of a joke is not a murder-worthy offense. Even if society sucks, even if people are rude, that is not a valid response. Nor is (presumably) killing Zazie Beets’ character because “aww man women don’t like him.” Yes, that is unfortunate. Yes, if things were more positive in his life he probably would not have turned out this way, but in my opinion, the film does not really place any culpability in Arthur himself.

    Thus, despite not being the intention, it isn’t hard to view this movie as: all blame on society and Joker is the true victim, and that’s just simply incorrect and very very problematic.

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    BenitoDelicias
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    Just saw this. I thought it was good, but as the movie was obviously ending I couldn’t help but feel there would be a half an hour more or something. Like something was missing.

    I think the final act was great and the best part of the film, however the whole shooting of Murray came because they used a video of Arthur doing standup as if Fallon, Kimmel or Ellen replayed a viral video. It just didn’t seem 80s to me. So the whole idea behind Murray’s murder seemed fake. The whole scene was amazing, but I don’t know. I also think De Niro was miscast in this. He did not look like a late night host at all, I don’t he delivered any of his jokes as these people are supposed to.

    Finally, I didn’t think the violence was that bad, and I didn’t think the movie was funny either.

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    Why U So Obsessed?
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    Joker is easily one of the best films of 2019.

    Todd Phillips did an awesome job directing this story.

    Joaquin gives an award worthy performance.

    It’s a film you either love or hate. Which is better than being just mediocre.

    “The best way to make someone feel small, is to not say anything to them at all” —>clicks ignore button

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    Manuelcolon
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    I’m still processing but here is how I feel- Joker was a thrilling and entertaining film but not without its flaws. Overall, I would say it’s pretty great for what it is.

    I don’t seem to have the same problems with the screenplay that many of the folks here have. My biggest issue was that the script lacked subtlety, but it seems many here thought the way it handled its subject matter was an issue and felt that they didn’t do a good enough job explaining his origin/upbringing. To the latter point, I would disagree with that criticism. Joker shows that a fucked upbringing and untreated mental illness paired with an indifferent or even antagonistic society is a recipe for a ticking time bomb. Joaquin Phoenix nails the unhinged intensity of the Joker, slowly boiling up like a pressure cooker until he hits the point of no return. Joker is a timely warning to society to demonstrate more compassion and empathy because without it we can breed monsters who want to see our society burn. It isn’t an easy pill to swallow, especially when it puts some of the blame on us for the actions of killers.

    I love that a commercial movie took risks with a subject matter like this, because it inspires conversation amongst ordinary moviegoers. It was great to see groups huddled outside the theater talking about the ideas of the movie. My friends and I had an incredible conversation after, and they aren’t the types like us who spend their time debating film on online forums. No, it doesn’t challenge to the same level as a lot of other more prestigious fare, but for what it is I think Joker smartly raises some interesting ideas.

    Deeply unsettling, entertaining, uneven, socially irresponsible, and potentially dangerous, Joker is a movie that couldn’t have landed at better time. It effectively gets under your skin and paints a bleak outlook for our society and humanity at large- a reality where we hate one another so much that people like Joker exist.

    Jesus, i finally find a review/opinion that is quite close to mine. Thank you for bringing up the importance of how society has treated mentally ill patients and now people act like it’s impossible or silly how it was portrayed on the film.

    Is it exaggerated? Yes, but it also is possible, there is a reality to the story and we can’t act like there are not people in the world suffering the same. Thank you again for bringing it up.

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