Marcus Snowden (The Artist Formerly Known as msnowden1)ParticipantOctober 8, 2019 at 2:15 am #1203127122
When in the film did they say the character was abused as a child? By the mother? I missed that part.
Arthur was at the mental institution, where Brian Tyree Henry’s character read out some of his mother’s file to him. It said that she let her boyfriend abuse him. I’m assuming that the trauma to Arthur’s head made him repress all of that abuse until that moment.October 8, 2019 at 7:45 am #1203127576
I read one article an hour ago that older members of the Academy didn’t like Joker. Some walked out. The younger members seem to like it and applauded in the end. Joker was screened to Academy members at Samuel Goldwyn Theater. Will it make into Best Picture?October 8, 2019 at 1:03 pm #1203128027
Not nearly interesting enough to justify all the fuss over it. This movie has nothing to say but is playing dress up in the clothes of movies that do. Someone needs to make a serious inquiry into the water quality in Venice.
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Saw this again today with friends to double check my opinion and yeah this movie just isn’t good. Philips and Phoenix are not to blame, it is entirely the lazy and uninspired screenplay. With adapted screenplay being so weak this year I hope this stays far from a nomination.October 11, 2019 at 7:29 am #1203131957
There are plenty of movies that people label as masterpieces and I understand/respect that label even if I don’t regard it personally, but I cannot see what about this movie would make it a masterpiece to others no matter how hard I try.
Not that it’s a bad movie to me at all and I do respect the opinion of those who regard it highly, but no explanation I’ve seen so far has made me think about it in a different light. I understand that it addresses social issues and their impact on its main character, but I’m wondering what about that specifically sets it apart from other films for those who were so blown away by it.
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The one thing that took me out of the movie abit was the way they made Joaquin look made him look just like Billy Campbell .. so i was thrown a bit with that
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I think this will be necessary.
I just saw the film and haven’t really sorted out my thoughts on it’s message and if it is worthy of the controversy, but what I will say is while the film does a lot well (Joaquin is great, atmospheric, the comedy allegory) this movie has some FLAWS! I haven’t come to a conclusion on whether I would classify it overall as “good” or “bad”, but it sure as hell is not perfect, I almost wonder what the jury watched at Venice.
First of all, it’s depiction of mental health is pretty damn sloppy. When it was revealed Arthur had imagined the entire relationship with Zazzie’s character I was upset, because despite Arthur’s characterization as severely ill, I don’t think it was ever hinted at that he had this type of delusion/personality disorder, it felt like a plot device.
Secondly, and maybe this is because of the comic, but Joker was abused as a kid? Like seriously, could there be a more cliche origin technique out there… and past that, not a great thing to say regarding survivors of abuse.
The scene at the Wayne’s felt like fan service in a movie that swore it wasn’t really a comic book movie, but I liked the touch at the end. The Late Night show scene was great.
I have more thoughts to gather, and it’s to the film’s credit that it has left me without a clear opinion, but nonetheless, it’s by no means some grand character study achievement or even comparable with The Dark Knight
I thought the depiction of him having delusion personality disorder was pretty awesome. It was hinted throughout. When Arthur sat down with Penny to watch Murray, he imagined being on the set with him. And there were a few more scenes thereafter – but obviously it got worse as his medications wore off.
Secondly, if you paid attention to the ENTIRE film, his origin is not just of child abuse. I mean…were you really paying attention? The interesting take by this film is how it was society who failed Arthur. He was relatively stable as an adult living with his mom, right? But when the government cut off social services, when they cut off coverage of his medications -> his neurological condition got worse.
The Thomas Wayne scene was great, IMO. I wasn’t sure how they were gonna pull it off – but I liked the idea of Wayne as a gray character. Throughout I wasn’t sure who was lying – Penny or Thomas? And I like that this was gray through the end.
In my opinion, Joker > Dark Knight on character study alone. I mean, this was full on 360 character transformation. The Dark Knight’s Joke had interesting ideas and was consistent, but Joker’s Joaquin Phoenix is something else.October 14, 2019 at 9:03 am #1203136035
Nothing to say?
What did you think about the main point of the movie about nature vs nurture? He was probably born with badly inherited genes, but he was fine until the society around him broke down and pushed him to his limits? What did you think about macro-politics affecting smaller folk?October 26, 2019 at 7:08 am #1203153598
In a nutshell, Joker’s technical aspects were done so perfectly including its beautiful cinematography, its great soundtrack combined with the iconic classic selection of songs that fit the scenes so well, and an excellent dedicated performance from Joaquin pulled a blind curtain to the audience from its many flaws, including an extremely problematic screenplay. Case closed!October 26, 2019 at 10:42 am #1203153863
I also believe that Joaquin’s performance and the technical elements are what make the film. The screenplay has some nice moments, but I don’t think it’s very strong. Not bad, just not very good.
Anyway, not sure if any other users will agree, but I thought Zazie Beetz could’ve been completely cut and it would’ve taken away nothing from the film. I think I recall seeing that she had more scenes that were cut, so maybe those would’ve given her role more of an impact.October 27, 2019 at 6:45 pm #1203155226
Darlings, the film is disgusting. A mess. Zazie Beetz’s arc is atrocious. The script is a circus. Joke overacts. Communist propaganda. It couldn’t be any worse. And it is still getting in BP. I want to send troops to Todd Phillips’ house.
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