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    The last poll was for Jessica Chastain in A Most Violent Year with 83% of you voting her as supporting, now I’m curious what you guys think of Lange especially considered that she was nominated for Best Actress at the Baftas (even though the Baftas are known for promoting supporting players) In my opinion shes supporting, I consider it more Hoffmans story. I know she was nominated in lead that year to but that should have no effect on how you vote.

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    Maybe it’s her screentime which clouds the placement. I voted Supporting, since she won for this and she does ‘support’ Hoffman.

    She’s sublime either way.

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    This is a tough one. Teri Garr famously knocked Columbia Pictures at the time for campaigning Lange in Supporting as opposed to Lead, but that decision was of course inevitable, given Lange’s presence in the Lead category for “Frances.” (Memo to Garr: KIm Stanley was winning if Lange wasn’t in there.) And in comparison to Garr, Lange certainly does give a significantly larger performance – the former probably gets 15-20 minutes in the picture, while Lange is likely on screen for about 45 minutes or more. BAFTA indeed placed Lange in Lead, as “Frances” and “Tootsie” were released in different years over in the UK.

    I tend to lean on the Supporting side, however, given Lange never really dominates the picture at any time and doesn’t even grace the screen until at least 20 or so minutes in. It’s also a very laid-back turn that tends to fade into the background at times – I like Lange in “Tootsie,” but it’s a bit of a stretch to think of it as Oscar-calibur…Garr gets much more meaty material to work with, even though it’s a smaller role. No way Lange would’ve won if not for the double-whammy of “Tootsie” and “Frances” in ’82.

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    Lead.

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    Lead.

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    I agree with AwardsConnect, Lange would have lost if it wasn’t for Frances plus Teri Garr was much better in the movie.
     

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    I’m not convinced Lange would have lost without Frances. She was a new star at the time which Oscar voters always love to recognise. The nominee with the most screentime often wins in the supporting categories, especially if their film has multiple nominations – and here we are, discussing whether or not she’s actually a lead! Plus she was the one place to award Tootsie (though it should have won for Screenplay).  

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    To me, it’s not just about screen time. The story is not about her, no matter how much screen time she has. I don’t know how someone who the story isn’t focused on can be considered lead. If someone asked you what the movie was about you wouldn’t say, “Oh yeah it’s about this guy and girl, and he dresses as a woman while she…” You just mention Hoffman’s story line.

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    I’m not convinced Lange would have lost without Frances. She was a new star at the time which Oscar voters always love to recognise. The nominee with the most screentime often wins in the supporting categories, especially if their film has multiple nominations – and here we are, discussing whether or not she’s actually a lead! Plus she was the one place to award Tootsie (though it should have won for Screenplay).  

    You may be right, actually. She also served as a consolation prize for the film, which failed to win anything else that year amidst the “Gandhi” wave.

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    I’m not convinced Lange would have lost without Frances. She was a new star at the time which Oscar voters always love to recognise. The nominee with the most screentime often wins in the supporting categories, especially if their film has multiple nominations – and here we are, discussing whether or not she’s actually a lead! Plus she was the one place to award Tootsie (though it should have won for Screenplay).  

    I wouldn’t call her a new star at the time. She’d been around for 6 years and was kind of making a comeback. I think all the publicity she got came from the double nomination and the Frances performance. I’m not sure she’d even have been nominated if there was no Frances.

    Glenn Close was actually the new star that year. Garp was her first film and she had done the best at critic’s awards.

    I don’t think Stanley was particularly well liked in the industry. She’d had episodes of erratic behavior and made a lot of enemies.  

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    Even though she is the closest thing the film has to a female lead, I still feel like her screen time is more on a Supporting level.

    I also agree that Garr, even more so a Supporting candidate, had juicer moments to work with.

    Lange’s performance is certainly good and it even stands out as a departure for her considering how she tends to go for more ferocious material, but it also doesn’t seem like a performance that makes me eager to toss her an Oscar.

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