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    Not long ago, Dev Patel received his first Oscar nomination for Lion. This nomination was somewhat divisive since many believed he should’ve been in contention for the leading category. What does everyone think? He plays the main character, but he’s also only in the movie for the second half. Does playing the lead for only half of a movie make you leading or supporting?

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    Mr. Tintin
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    I think both him and Sunny Pawar can be considered leads, since they are the same character, and they dominate different halves of the movie.

    Emmys 2019: I stan Amy Adams, Mahershala Ali, and Jason Bateman.

    Oscars 2020: I stan Robert Downey, Jr., Alan Silvestri, Willem Dafoe, and Dean Deblois.

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    Darren
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    Lead.

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    Dennis El Mar
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    These Supporting vs lead arguments mostly turn into semantics at some point, and I feel like most of the arguments you can make for and against Patel you can apply to Rooney Mara, Alicia Vikander, and Viola Davis as well.

    Of course, my opinion remains that there can be more than one lead in a film. Patel and Pawar are co-leads, period, the structure of the film is made to tell solely their story and in no way does Patel’s section take a backseat to Pawar. Supporting characters offer contrast to the central characters while moving the plot along and the film is not structured so that Patel does that. They’re co leads sort of like how Bradley Cooper and J-Law both are in SLP imo

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    thatnerdgreg
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    These Supporting vs lead arguments mostly turn into semantics at some point, and I feel like most of the arguments you can make for and against Patel you can apply to Rooney Mara, Alicia Vikander, and Viola Davis as well. Of course, my opinion remains that there can be more than one lead in a film. Patel and Pawar are co-leads, period, the structure of the film is made to tell solely their story and in no way does Patel’s section take a backseat to Pawar. Supporting characters offer contrast to the central characters while moving the plot along and the film is not structured so that Patel does that. They’re co leads sort of like how Bradley Cooper and J-Law both are in SLP imo

    I’d say Patel’s a different situation. As I said before, he’s only a lead for half of the film. Those three are a co-leads for all of their respective films (Davis’ win still pisses me off. Maybe I’m just imagining, but I’m pretty sure she admitted that the only reason she went supporting is because it was easier). In my mind, Patel can be seen as either a borderline supporting or borderline leading role. Those three are leads. No argument.
    Also, I don’t recall anyone saying that either Patel or Pawar took a backseat to the other. Pawar was campaigned as supporting right? Cause there’s no way you can have those two in separate categories. Their roles (or rather, role) are the exact same size.

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    Elazul
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    I really don’t think you can be lead if you’re not in half of the movie…

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    Why U So Obsessed?
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    Lead! Best Actor was VERY competitive in 2016.

    Also…. it’s an unsaid truth but…We all know POC have a better shot in the Supporting categories.

    Even when they’re the main protagonist of their own stories (I.e. Mahershala Ali in “Green Book”), Hollywood feels more comfortable giving ethnic actors less than their worth.

    There’s also no reason, that same year, Viola didn’t go lead as well. Both Patel & Davis are lead IMO.

    “The best way to make someone feel small, is to not say anything to them at all” —>clicks ignore button

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    TheDreamingHead
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    Lead! Best Actor was VERY competitive in 2016.

    Also…. it’s an unsaid truth but…We all know POC have a better shot in the Supporting categories.

    Even when they’re the main protagonist of their own stories (I.e. Mahershala Ali in “Green Book”), Hollywood feels more comfortable giving ethnic actors less than their worth.

    There’s also no reason, that same year, Viola didn’t go lead as well. Both Patel & Davis are lead IMO.

    Imagine Viola had won in lead category, deservedly, that would lead to Michelle Williams to deservedly win her own category right from the beginning, and, that would lead to Emmma Stone also deservedly winning for The Favorite as her career best performance. It would be more satisfying than this mess.

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    Dennis El Mar
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    I’d say Patel’s a different situation. As I said before, he’s only a lead for half of the film. Those three are a co-leads for all of their respective films (Davis’ win still pisses me off. Maybe I’m just imagining, but I’m pretty sure she admitted that the only reason she went supporting is because it was easier). In my mind, Patel can be seen as either a borderline supporting or borderline leading role. Those three are leads. No argument. Also, I don’t recall anyone saying that either Patel or Pawar took a backseat to the other. Pawar was campaigned as supporting right? Cause there’s no way you can have those two in separate categories. Their roles (or rather, role) are the exact same size.

    Nope, Pawar was campaigned as Leading. Both leading or both supporting would have been more fair, but Pawar was definitely not more lead imo.

    https://picclick.com/LION-For-Your-Consideration-FYC-DVD-Free-Shipping-174017448812.html#&gid=1&pid=2

     

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    thatnerdgreg
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    Nope, Pawar was campaigned as Leading. Both leading or both supporting would have been more fair, but Pawar was definitely not more lead imo. https://picclick.com/LION-For-Your-Consideration-FYC-DVD-Free-Shipping-174017448812.html#&gid=1&pid=2

    Well that’s a pretty dirty trick against Pawar. Patel and Pawar probably have close to the exact same amount of screen time, they’re either both leading or both supporting. There’s no way a child actor was gonna get nominated in lead when he’s only in half of the movie. They clearly realized of the two actors playing Saroo that Patel was more likely to get nominated and must’ve wanted wanted to make sure Pawar wasn’t gonna take away any votes from Patel. Honestly, it’s a shame that Pawar is unlikely to ever find any big projects in the future. He was excellent, especially when you factor in his age.

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    Dennis El Mar
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    Well that’s a pretty dirty trick against Pawar. Patel and Pawar probably have close to the exact same amount of screen time, they’re either both leading or both supporting. There’s no way a child actor was gonna get nominated in lead when he’s only in half of the movie. They clearly realized of the two actors playing Saroo that Patel was more likely to get nominated and must’ve wanted wanted to make sure Pawar wasn’t gonna take away any votes from Patel. Honestly, it’s a shame that Pawar is unlikely to ever find any big projects in the future. He was excellent, especially when you factor in his age.

    Yeah, it is ironic that studios are so erroneous with their placements to the point that it’s blatant how much they care about securing nominations as opposed to artistic honesty, and we still argue these placements in the vein of the latter. I guess the argument is that the existence of two prominent character arcs can default one of them to “supporting” the other, although I don’t agree with this.

    Honestly, it just comes off as studios making very semantic and technical rules on the cuff to secure nominations. While not unexpected behavior, it is disappointing. They know that Patel’s performance is not what Supporting categories are meant for, and that placement probably wouldn’t have flown even 15-20 years ago (Geoffrey Rush WON a leading Oscar when he only appeared in the second half of the film playing an older version of the character). But given how ruthless campaigns are nowadays it’s needless to say that times have changed.

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    Eddy Q
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    Lead lead lead lead lead lead lead.

    Did I mention lead?

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    Eddy Q
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    Well that’s a pretty dirty trick against Pawar. Patel and Pawar probably have close to the exact same amount of screen time, they’re either both leading or both supporting. There’s no way a child actor was gonna get nominated in lead when he’s only in half of the movie. They clearly realized of the two actors playing Saroo that Patel was more likely to get nominated and must’ve wanted wanted to make sure Pawar wasn’t gonna take away any votes from Patel. Honestly, it’s a shame that Pawar is unlikely to ever find any big projects in the future. He was excellent, especially when you factor in his age.

    Honestly I found Pawar more believable than Patel and, if anything, would’ve preferred them to be campaigned the other way round with Pawar being nominated in supporting, though it still wouldn’t be right.

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    Darling, this case is like Portman in Vox Lux. I’d say they belonged in Lead.

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