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  • Tom O’Neil
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    These are fun. Listen to my podcast chats with Variety’s Oscar pundit Jenelle Riley and Jack Mathews, longtime film editor and critic at the LA Times, NY Daily News and USA Today. Jack was with Gold Derby as a pundit when we launched back in 2000 and now he’s semi-retired and living the good life along the coast of Oregan. But he’s still keeping up with the derby.

    JENELLE RILEY

    http://www.goldderby.com/news/8409/birdman-predict-oscars-boyhood-entertainment-13597086-story.html

    or

    http://shar.es/1oCl5I

    JACK MATHEWS

    http://www.goldderby.com/news/8423/birdman-boyhood-prediction-oscars-entertainment-13597086-story.html

    http://shar.es/1oCl5I

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    GusCruz
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    Hopefully this weekend will prove them wrong.

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    AviChristiaans
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    Thanks Tom. Your podcasts are always great.

    I might be one of the select few who actually liked Boyhood-the-film and
    not Boyhood-the-12
    Year-Achievement,
    and yet i am still perplexed as to how this
    film got the unexplainable reviews it got, and how/why Boyhood is the film
    critics decided to rally behind. This film really is just a train, a case of
    critics trying it and everyone following suit.

    Jack Mathews really summed it up concisely. Apart from the “television
    movie” aspect of the film, it really is just an OK movie about a boy
    growing up in real-time.  Critics created
    this high expectation for this film, which doesn’t make sense.  

    And he was spot on with the casting of Ellar
    Coltrane
    being the underwhelming factor of the film. There is absolutely
    NOTHING special or achievement worthy about that performance. Hair flicking and
    going with the flow doesn’t equate great acting.

    And that in the end is what really keeps Boyhood from being
    spectacular.

    And the most interesting thing brought up regarding the preferential ballot, is that not all voters will rank the Top 8. They don’t have to rank 8 films.
    Many will just pick their Best Picture and move on.


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    FreemanGriffin
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    Oh brother, now we are going to have to go through 3 weeks of how Birdman is going to win – blech! Birdman is a terrible movie! It’s pretentious drivel, and i don’t care what anyone says about this. It’s awful! Look, awful films win awards all the time, and my solace if it does win (I have it in second place – I get that the preferential ballot might doom the brilliant, amazing, superb Boyhood, but I am stubbornly sticking with it. There must be SOME academy members who will be turned off by Birdman’s anti-hollywood sentiments, it’s uneven acting performances, it’s weird cinematography -following characters down endless hallways, it’s obnoxious unlikeable lead character, and all of it’s other major flaws) will be that Julianne Moore and Patricia Arquette will win richly deserved first Oscars, and while I will be happy for my #2 choice J.K. Simmons, I’d be much happier if Ethan Hawke were able to pull off an upset.

    I LOVE Ellar Coltrane’s performance in Boyhood. Stop this nonsense! It’s Birdman that has atrocious acting performances.

    My guess is that the preferential ballot thing is going to affect both movies, and I guess I’m hoping that there are more intelligent academy members than stupid ones. Boyhood also grows richer with each viewing. I’ve seen it four times and I love it MORE with each viewing. I’ve seen Birdman twice and hated it more the second time, saw all of it’s creakiness and flaws. (btw, Pride was my #1 film of the year, and Boyhood was my #2).

    So, I will be terribly disappointed if the academy decides to go with the execrable Birdman. Boyhood, The Grand Budapest Hotel, The Imitation Game, The Theory Of Everything, Whiplash and 2/3 of Selma are much better movies. But it’s only the Oscars and it will take nothing away from the amazing achievement that is Boyhood, and all of its many awards this award season. (btw, please, DGA: Richard Linklater for Boyhood on Saturday, please).

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    Macbeth
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    I’m excited that Birdman (one of the best films of the year)  is swooping in and snatching Boyhood’s wig. I have nothing against Boyhood, but it is more of a film achievement rather than a brilliant film. Birdman is such a brilliant film, and a true achievment of genius directing. I am truly looking forward to the next three weeks of heated discussion as to whether Birdman will win. I have no doubt a few voters will not like Birdman, but I am sure that a lot of them will relate to it. I hope that voters embrace the brilliant acting performances, its amazingly unique and tenacious cinematography, its likable lead character and all of the other major benefits it has to make it brilliant. 

    I agree with Avi – Ellar Coltrane was good, but I actually was thinking about it, and he doesn’t really do much other than grow up. He doesn’t get any big moments of transcendence or emotion, he just exists in the film. I really doubt he’ll ever act again, not because he is bad, but just from his attitude at awards shows and in interviews, he doesn’t seem like someone who gives a damn about acting, and was only in this for twelve years to just be a part of the finished product. There wasn’t really anything about his performance that could make us believe he is going to be a star. His acting was fine, but it was nothing compared to acting masterclasses like Birdman, Nightcrawler and Inherent Vice

    The fact that Birdman could potentially swoop in and steal the Best Picture award shows me there are some very intelligent members of the AMPAS, not to say fans of Boyhood or any of the other films are dumb, but they are recognizing something unique and historical (as is Boyhood, but that is historical because of the story behind it, not the actual tangible film presented to voters). Boyhood is a good film, but it doesn’t have a story, and having rewatched it, it becomes even more clear how the film has problems with acting (with Lorelei Linklater being the bestin show for me) and writing (it is more obvious that there isn’t really much of a story or narrative behind the film). It is creative, sure. But I don’t know if it is absolutely brilliant.

    I know it is a tight race between Birdman and Boyhood, and honestly either winner would be fine, just to take a break from the Oscar-bait films like The Imitation Game and The Theory of Everything. But it doesn’t really matter who they award, a film like Birdman will live on for a long time as a visually stunning masterpiece, a paramount of directing and cinematography and an acting masterclass that will sit right up there with Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner and Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf

    Here is hoping DGA awards Inarittu with a well-deserved Best Director mention, and BAFTA helps shake things up and gives us more to talk about 

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    Sandrine Onaissi
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    It’s very subjective and I agree that the preferential ballots Will heart Boyhood in a way, because a lot of people hate it and are like “nothing happens” or “it’s a Tv Movie”.

    Boyhood is for me a masterpiece unforgettable, but I’m fine If it doesn’t win Best Picture. This Movie Will never be forgotten and so is its achievement.

    It’s not AMPAS that Will decide Which Movie is really a masterpiece, but Time.

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    Sandrine Onaissi
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    Oh and Ellar obviously wants to continue acting, he says it in several interview.

    It’s Also too easy to bash him because he is a newcomer who never acts before. But I think he did an awesome job.

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    Oh and Ellar obviously wants to continue acting, he says it in several interview.
    It’s Also too easy to bash him because he is a newcomer who never acts before. But I think he did an awesome job.

    I wasn’t bashing him at all – I said he did what he needed to do, but what he needed to do what unspectacular. He wasn’t bad, its just the script didn’t call for Mason to have any big moments like Mason Sr and Olivia had, so Ellar did a good job with what he was given.

    Also, I have never read where he said he wants to continue acting, and his filmography has absolutely no upcoming projects, and for a young man in a big film that Boyhood, I am sure the offers would be rolling in. Linklater’s next film is a college baseball movie, so that was even an opportunity for Ellar to act, but he isn’t in it, so I am dubious. He strikes me as someone who doesn’t really want to act, and would move more into writing or directing or the creative aspect of film 

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    Sandrine Onaissi
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    One interview among others : http://vman.com/site/content/3716/acting-up-ellar-coltrane

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    One interview among others : http://vman.com/site/content/3716/acting-up-ellar-coltrane%5B/quote%5D

    Yes, I’ve read that one, and my point still stands – he says there “the way Boyhood has touched me has inspired me to keep going” – I know that implies he will continue acting, but that also implies he doesn’t have an overriding passion for it, because he did consider not going on, and if this is the only place he has ever said he wants to act again (even if here he is still vague and indecisive), then there is still no real proof that he wants to carry on.

    I don’t care if he goes on or not, but maybe he wants to (and should) live in the legacy of his Boyhood role. There are worse things to be than someone remembered for their one huge role.

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    [quote=”SandrineOnaissi”]One interview among others : http://vman.com/site/content/3716/acting-up-ellar-coltrane%5B/quote%5D

    Yes, I’ve read that one, and my point still stands – he says there “the way Boyhood has touched me has inspired me to keep going” – I know that implies he will continue acting, but that also implies he doesn’t have an overriding passion for it, because he did consider not going on, and if this is the only place he has ever said he wants to act again (even if here he is still vague and indecisive), then there is still no real proof that he wants to carry on.

    I don’t care if he goes on or not, but maybe he wants to (and should) live in the legacy of his Boyhood role. There are worse things to be than someone remembered for their one huge role.

    When he says he’s going to “keep going” I honestly assumed that he is going to keep acting for Linklater in a film about him growing up. In 12 years, Manhood is going to hit theatres with tons of fanfare, and we’ll see if Coltrane can actually act at that point.

    But to the point of this thread, I just can’t imagine Birdman winning. At the same time, I can’t imagine Grand Budapest Hotel winning, or just about anything but Boyhood. It just seems inevitable, even at this point.

    Come participate in this year's Goldderby Rankings! http://www.goldderby.com/forum/movies/2017-goldderby-rankings/

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    Sandrine Onaissi
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    [quote=”SandrineOnaissi”]One interview among others : http://vman.com/site/content/3716/acting-up-ellar-coltrane%5B/quote%5D

    Yes, I’ve read that one, and my point still stands – he says there “the way Boyhood has touched me has inspired me to keep going” – I know that implies he will continue acting, but that also implies he doesn’t have an overriding passion for it, because he did consider not going on, and if this is the only place he has ever said he wants to act again (even if here he is still vague and indecisive), then there is still no real proof that he wants to carry on.

    I don’t care if he goes on or not, but maybe he wants to (and should) live in the legacy of his Boyhood role. There are worse things to be than someone remembered for their one huge role.

    I have read a lot lot of interview where Ellar says he wants to act and that he have a lot of project Going on, but that he can’t say anything by now. You Will see by yourself.

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    Sandrine Onaissi
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    http://youtu.be/sW4YpsWg1LU

    And There are a lot, but I don’t have the Time to Search again and again. But do you have at least one where he says he wants to stop acting, or at least, he is thinking about it ?

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    Sandrine Onaissi
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    http://m.ibtimes.com/boyhood-star-ellar-coltrane-talks-about-next-project-2015-sag-awards-1794196

    “Boyhood” audiences watched Ellar Coltrane grow up during the course of the film, and it looks like they might get to continue watching the actor develop his talent. When interviewed on the E! red carpet at the 2015 SAG Awards, the actor revealed he wanted to make more films.

    “I’m looking at other movie parts,” Coltrane said. “Nothing that I can really talk about yet, but I want to make movies. So we’ll see.”

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    GusCruz
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    I’m shocked at how many people still fall for the fraud that
    is Iñarritu. I thought the spell had worn off with the horrendous Biutuful, but
    it came back stronger with his worst movie yet (and this is no small feat,
    given the mediocrity that preceded it). I remember writing years ago that maybe
    Guillermo Arriaga, his long time screenwriting collaborator, was the one
    holding him back, and I was right, but in a wrong way – he actually kept
    Iñarrity from making poor decisions and the miserabilism of his previous films
    did a great job at hiding the megalomaniac, aesthetically erratic side of him.
    The serious critics in Mexico love to make fun of how Iñarritu’s success with
    critics in American prove their point about how easy it is to fool those who
    know little about what great cinema is made of.

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    It’s pretty obvious that whether Ellar Coltrane is or isn’t going to be an
    actor with a long career does not matter in how one should view Boyhood. When I
    hear people say “There wasn’t much acting from him!”, “Patricia
    Arquette is barely giving a performance!” and things of that nature I’m
    more sure that people don’t understand where the movie was going. The approach
    of this naturalistic style of filmmaking needs an actor to just be there. Think
    about the Before series. Was Julie Delpy doing a lot of acting there? Did she
    create a complex character? Did she need to? Linklater is an observant auteur
    and took this aspect to a whole new level in Boyhood. Also, LOL at Jack
    Matthews talking about “TV movie aspect”… is that what they say in
    Belgium about the Dardennes? Or in England about Ken Loach? Ugh.

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