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    What do you think about this multiple Academy Award winning film that failed of getting a Best Picture nomination?

    Have you watched the TV miniseries or the shorter version made for the theaters or both? What are the differences?

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    It’s certainly great but I never really got how it became possibly Bergman’s most lauded film. I must have missed something. In my opinion, Scenes from a Marriage deserved all the attention this got.

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    It’s certainly great but I never really got how it became possibly Bergman’s most lauded film. I must have missed something. In my opinion, Scenes from a Marriage deserved all the attention this got.

    Why do you think is his most lauded? I’d say Persona is his most lauded.

    And maybe at that time it was probably Cries and Whispers since it was the only Bergman film to receive a BP nomination.

    It's about the chaotic editing in Moulin Rouge!

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    Love. It’s an utter masterpiece.

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    Love it.  I prefer the miniseries cut.

    I definitely prefer it to Scenes From A Marriage.  The husband does something so horrendously awful near the end that completely turned me against the film.

    Autumn Sonata and Cries and Whispers have remained my favorite Bergman films.

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    LOVE. Without hesitation.

    It isn’t my favorite of Bergman’s works but I tend to adore, or at the very least, like most of his work.

    WILD STRAWBERRIES, PERSONA, and SCENES FROM A MARRIAGE are my favorites of his work.

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    Love. How could anyone loathe it? I’ve only seen the longer version (which also premiered theatrically before being broadcast on TV) but I’d be interested in watching the three-hour version to see what was cut, and to know what Academy voters would have seen when voting for it.

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    Bergman is one of those canon directors that I simply do not understand. There is quite obviously talent to be found, but he so often chooses not to in my eye. It is not in the least surprising that he is as lauded as he is, given pieces like Persona, and Scenes from a Marriage. The former, oddly, is his most famous and raved piece, which is something that I believe the masses have been largely correct in determining. I think Through a Glass Darkly should receive more attention than it does. The original The Lighthouse lol.

    Fanny and Alexander is a fine film; good even. But by no means his best or even an all-time work.

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    Bergman is one of those canon directors that I simply do not understand. There is quite obviously talent to be found, but he so often chooses not to in my eye. It is not in the least surprising that he is as lauded as he is, given pieces like Persona, and Scenes from a Marriage. The former, oddly, is his most famous and raved piece, which is something that I believe the masses have been largely correct in determining. I think Through a Glass Darkly should receive more attention than it does. The original The Lighthouse lol.

    Fanny and Alexander is a fine film; good even. But by no means his best or even an all-time work.

    I completely agree with everything you said here – and therefore also on Fanny and Alexander – although I’m probably a more enthusiastic fan of Bergman than you are. He used to be one of my favourite directors, in the past.
    What’s your take on The Seventh Seal, perhaps his most acclaimed effort?

    Also, since you already mentioned Through a Glass Darkly, which is a movie I deeply love, I’ll add The Virgin Spring in the mix. I have no idea whether I overestimate it or not, yet it’s such a direct and clear film that always has a big impact on me.

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    I think there are films of his that are objectively and technically superior, but I can’t help that Autumn Sonata and Cries and Whispers are my favorites of his by far. Liv Ullman is gorgeous and illuminates the screen.

    I liked Fanny and Alexander but it’s not among my favorites. I still need to see Scenes from a Marriage. I bet it’s a lot better than Marriage Story even if it’s a lot more problematic.

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    Not his best film, but still a great one.

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    I completely agree with everything you said here – and therefore also on Fanny and Alexander – although I’m probably a more enthusiastic fan of Bergman than you are. He used to be one of my favourite directors, in the past. What’s your take on The Seventh Seal, perhaps his most acclaimed effort? Also, since you already mentioned Through a Glass Darkly, which is a movie I deeply love, I’ll add The Virgin Spring in the mix. I have no idea whether I overestimate it or not, yet it’s such a direct and clear film that always has a big impact on me.

    Good to hear from you, Marco!

    The Seventh Seal is pretty beautiful to me. I know many these days rag on it for Bergman’s Christianity and potential for nihilism, but I find it endearing, almost. It’s also quite fun sometimes!

    As for The Virgin Spring, I have a tougher time with it. I’m an assault survivor, so narratives which hinge on rape in some part always give me pause. There’s much I enjoy of the film, in total, but there’s always something nagging me—not sure I can get past assault that feels inevitable, as opposed to character-driven.

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    As for The Virgin Spring, I have a tougher time with it. I’m an assault survivor, so narratives which hinge on rape in some part always give me pause. There’s much I enjoy of the film, in total, but there’s always something nagging me—not sure I can get past assault that feels inevitable, as opposed to character-driven.

    Thanks for sharing. I don’t think a counter-argument to what you said exists; it is what it is. The essence of the film lies in the inevitability of the assault. There seems to be a higher-than-human and divine point of view for things to be happening, and it really doesn’t depend on any of the characters. Again, damned be the Christian persespective on human fate! 😉 (mostly joking, as I myself am a Christian lol)

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