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    Carey Mulligan: Nicole Kidman in To Die For. She was actually somewhat of an inspiration for us in creating Promising Young Woman. She’s just extraordinary. I can’t describe it any other way. She’s just extraordinary. It’s like someone playing a violin. Her emotions go from one extreme to the other seamlessly, and she is simultaneously charming, enticing and terrifying all at the same time. I think it’s just a masterclass.

    https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/performances-actors-must-see-award-nominees-podcast-advice-72971/

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    This makes me wonder…is there a more influential performance for actresses than Kidman in To Die For the last 30 years?

    It’s constantly referenced specifically by other actresses as a reference point for their performances. Reese Witherspoon in Election, Charlize Theron in Young Adult, Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl, Emma Watson in The Bling Ring…they have all specifically mentioned using this Kidman performance as “inspiration” for their characters.

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    Coincidentally, I’ve watched To Die For earlier this year and I agree that Kidman’s performance is such a masterclass. She is both hilarious and scary at the same time. I’m not surprised it’s an influence for many actresses. Even though it’s not comedic, I also recommend the movie Body Heat starring Kathleen Turner if you like watching smart and ambitious women with darker motives.

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    Excellent taste and inspiration! One day, someone will be inspired by Mulligan in PYW.

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    Nicole Kidman’s career best performance is in To Die For. She should have won her first Oscar for it! One of the worst awards snubs ever!

    It’s quite interesting how To Die For as a whole has sprung the whole “darker female led dramedy” genre. Emerald Fennell cited it as an inspiration of hers when she was writing Promising Young Woman but the one film that made me think of To Die For the most was probably I, Tonya (which like To Die For is one of my favourite films of all time). Both are dark dramedies about very human women. What I mean by that is that the leads of both those films (and of <i>Promising Young Woman </i>as well) are very much female tragic heroes. You have a degree of sympathy for the situations of the protagonists (which I might add are very real and frequently disturbing situations) yet they aren’t depicted as “saints”.   These central characters have their own flaws as pretty much all do in reality. The “the ideal woman” is frankly quite a flawed and misogynistic misinterpretation of women on screen.

    Depictions of women in Hollywood are often hegemonized to the ideals of the standard white male producer as either “villains” or “saints” which really eliminates any radical depictions of women on screen. It feels quite fitting that two Kidman projects (To Die For and Big Little Lies) have become the grounds for feministic ideals to become an input in creative decisions both in the commissioning and production of more radical stories centred around women.

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    I love how TO DIE FOR has managed to maintain a high reputation thanks to Kidman’s performance (I also love the film and it was one of that year’s best!).

    She was royally robbed of an Oscar and it’s a disgrace that she was snubbed. It’s crazy to think how many solid Actress contenders they had that year when the year before it was essentially desolate.

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    She was royally robbed of an Oscar and it’s a disgrace that she was snubbed. It’s crazy to think how many solid Actress contenders they had that year when the year before it was essentially desolate.

    2018 after 2017 and 2020 after 2019 vibes.

    FYC Emmys: "The Crown" in all categories, "I May Destroy You" in all categories, "It's a Sin" in all categories, "Small Axe" in all categories, Billie Piper ("I Hate Suzie"), Yvonne Strahovski ("Stateless") and Ruth Wilson ("His Dark Materials")

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    There is no way in hell that anybody Nicole included deserved that oscar over sharon stone that year. That Susan Sarandon got it is a goddamn travesty.

     

    Emerald Fennell cited it as an inspiration of hers when she was writing Promising Young Woman but the one film that made me think of To Die For the most was probably I, Tonya (which like To Die For is one of my favourite films of all time). Both are dark dramedies about very human women. What I mean by that is that the leads of both those films (and of <i>Promising Young Woman </i>as well) are very much female tragic heroes. You have a degree of sympathy for the situations of the protagonists (which I might add are very real and frequently disturbing situations) yet they aren’t depicted as “saints”. These central characters have their own flaws as pretty much all do in reality. The “the ideal woman” is frankly quite a flawed and misogynistic misinterpretation of women on screen. Depictions of women in Hollywood are often hegemonized to the ideals of the standard white male producer as either “villains” or “saints” which really eliminates any radical depictions of women on screen. It feels quite fitting that two Kidman projects (To Die For and Big Little Lies) have become the grounds for feministic ideals to become an input in creative decisions both in the commissioning and production of more radical stories centred around women.

    I disagree, Nicole’s Suzanne was in a situation of her own making and only paid the price because she fucked with the wrong family. The way she manipulated below average intelligent students into  murdering her husband (who at worst  was a dunce) was beyond repugnant. Which is why I’ll never get how shes a feminist hero at all.  Trapped? Sure. Epic villain?  Sure should be high up on the list of all time movie villains.  But feminist  hero? No.

    I get that its a juicy role but its still a weird thing to be basing female protagonists on her. That would be the equivalent of black actors basing their performances and characters on Alonzo Harris.

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    I get that its a juicy role but its still a weird thing to be basing female protagonists on her. That would be the equivalent of black actors basing their performances and characters on Alonzo Harris.

    Black (and white) actors “borrow/homage” Alonzo Harris all the time. Because like Suzanne Stone, Alonzo is a damned juicy and complex role, which most good actors would love to play. Chiwetel Ejiofor in Four Brothers literally came off like he was trying to do an impersonation of Denzel in Training Day. Cuba Gooding Jr decided he wanted to do his own Alonzo in the now forgotten cop thriller Dirty Forrest Whitaker was blatantly hired to do a riff on Alonzo in Street Kings. Netflix even basically remade Training Day with a Sci-fi twist this year with Outside The Wire, with Anthony Mackie playing Alonzo if he was The Terminator.

    That Actors and Actresses enjoy playing villains (especially as a change of pace) or anti-heroes isn’t really news.

    I agree that I don’t see Suzanne Stone as a feminist hero either, but I don’t think actresses should be straightjacketed into playing feminist heroes. It’s just a great, morally dubious character to explore. Which is why it appears to be a touchstone role/performance for so many actresses.

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    This makes me wonder…is there a more influential performance for actresses than Kidman in To Die For the last 30 years? It’s constantly referenced specifically by other actresses as a reference point for their performances. Reese Witherspoon in Election, Charlize Theron in Young Adult, Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl, Emma Watson in The Bling Ring…they have all specifically mentioned using this Kidman performance as “inspiration” for their characters.

    The thing is it’s set the template for that kind of performances. Nicole Kidman gives a tour-de-force and its my favourite performance of hers.

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    This makes me wonder…is there a more influential performance for actresses than Kidman in To Die For the last 30 years? It’s constantly referenced specifically by other actresses as a reference point for their performances.

    Gena Rowlands in A Woman Under the Influence. Although her finest work is probably Opening Night.

    watch I May Destroy You

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    Gena Rowlands in A Woman Under the Influence. Although her finest work is probably Opening Night.

    A Woman Under The Influence was 1974. I asked if there was a more influential performance for actresses than Kidman in To Die For given in the last 30 years. So since 1991 I guess. Struggling to think of another performance from an actress in that time frame that has so clearly influenced the performances of so many other actresses since Kidman delivered it. It’s pretty impressive.

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    Oh yes, I missed that bit about in the past 30 years. I don’t know that there is one cited performance. People definitely note Streep all the time, of course. I don’t see as many Huppert mentions from American actors as I would expect, but filmmakers name her frequently.

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    Suzanne and Cassie are already iconic.

    Nicole Kidman has 2 iconic performances: Suzanne and Satine.

    She is the best actress of her generation.

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    She is the best actress of her generation.

    It’s so hard to make these judgments but to say the least, Cate Blanchett is in the conversation….

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