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  • Macca
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    If they had implemented this last year:

    Baby Driver
    Dunkirk
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Logan
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi

    I assume that this will be a category voted by Oscar voters and they can only be studio films who are eligible. Dunkirk would have won this. Baby Driver in 2nd.

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    Rhiki Ranjan Neupane
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    So,this year its Black panther’s win for this category.

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    Fade
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    The Oscars are at a place where they are too prestigious to nominate all the garbage general audiences enjoy watching but too myopic to nominate excellent films with little to no FYC marketing.

    It wasn’t always like this. Decades ago, studios were more imaginative with their pictures, so many of the popular films were also some of the best films of the year. Now, every studio film is unlike an assembly line-created car (with occasional exceptions like Dunkirk and Blade Runner 2049).

    All the best filmmakers went independent, sometimes too independent for the Academy and almost always too independent for general audiences.

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    RobertPius
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    It is sort of shocking to read that in 1966 the top box office hits included things like Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolf (third highest gross) and A Man for All Seasons (fifth highest.) Adult films for adult audiences. (I wonder what teenagers saw back then?)

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    Teridax
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    It is sort of shocking to read that in 1966 the top box office hits included things like Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolf (third highest gross) and A Man for All Seasons (fifth highest.) Adult films for adult audiences. (I wonder what teenagers saw back then?)

    They probably saw A Man For All Seasons too. I saw that movie on TCM and loved it when I was a teenager.

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    Teridax
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    An audience award voted by the public is interesting, I guess. I’m hoping that the difference between an “audience award” and a “popular film” one is being daring and discerning enough to not only include blockbusters in it. That would defeat the entire purpose of ABC/Academy/Disney overlords for ratings, but still. No need at all to only have blockbusters there. Would “Girls Trip” have applied last year? “Coco”? “Dunkirk”? “Get Out” for sure. Definitely “Wonder Woman” and sadly “The Last Jedi.” I’d like to see a category that could house fare like “Black Panther” and if we must, “Infinity Wars,” “Jurassic World,” “Fallout,” etc., but maybe throw in “Three Identical Strangers” too, or “Boy, Erased”? Can we get a foreign language film that hits the mainstream again like “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon” did? The Academy has to define what qualifies for this new category now as this backlash intensifies.

    If I was a voter for this “Audience Award” type of thing then Three Identical Strangers would easily make my Top 10. I still want to see the Mr Rogers and RBG docs but TIS was extremely well made and well told. Paddington 2 would definitely be up there. I loved that bear! The sooner the Oscars define what this category is the better for everyone I say.

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    Teridax
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    Something of this magnitude should never be a decision made by just the Board of Governors. Rather they should have sent out a poll to all Academy members before announcing the creation of a such a category.

    Even though I love the basic idea of this category due to countless blockbusters and hardcore genre films having not gotten their deserved Oscar recognition, I find it impossible to argue with this right here. For fairness sake, this decision truly should not have been made by the Board of Governors alone. I just know that next year most of those people will be losing re-election in landslides. John Bailey may have just won re-election less than a week ago, but his days are numbered after this.

    Bailey is ineligible after this current term anyways.

    I actually meant the backlash might get so bad that he might be forced to resign. I don’t want him to, but I think there’s a slight chance it could possibly happen.

    He should have been fired already. Good riddance.

    I meant I don’t want Bailey to resign because of this new category. Weird having an Academy President accused of sexual harassment in this #MeToo era.

    http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/academy-president-reelected-after-sexual-harassment-probe.html

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    Macca
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    The sooner the Oscars define what this category is the better for everyone I say.

    I don’t know why they haven’t yet. This is a literal PR disaster. I’m pretty sure that I’m going to be studying this in my PR lecture next week. They done fucked up HARD. Keeping the public out of the loop and with no idea of what’s going on is literally the worst thing you could do and they haven’t taken any steps to rectify this. Jesus Christ are they hiding under rock hoping this will all die down?

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    Teridax
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    This new category could work but it would require some changes.

    1. Name the new category Best Picture – Mainstream and limit it to five nominees of mainstream, popular fare. Movies like Dunkirk and Black Panther could compete here.

    2. Rename the current Best Picture category as Best Picture – Independent (which it pretty much has been for roughly 20 years now) and limit it to five nominees as well. Movies like The Shape of Water and Eighth Grade could compete here.

    3. Define specific, exclusive rules that make a film eligible for only one of the two categories. Treat both categories as equals.

    If AMPAS doesn’t want to fix their broken nominating procedure for Best Picture that allows so much small, independent trash to be recognized year after year, then the least it could do is create a level playing field for all films in this new separate but not equal world they have created.

    If my dreams are dashed and it really does turn out to just be another Oscar category only Academy members vote on, then this is literally the best-case scenario for that IMO infinitely less exciting outcome. Don’t let the genre (Sci-fi, fantasy, etc) blockbusters from major studios compete with small indie dramas that barely make any money, because most of the time the latter will gobble up the former in nominations and especially in wins.

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    Elliot Kronsberg
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    The Outstanding Achievement in Popular Film category won’t solve the rating problems because the films in the main race are the real problem, most people never hear of them before nominations, i’t support a change in eligibility establishing that in order to compete for Best Picture a film must be screened in at least 100 theater in at least 10 states including California, NY, Florida, Texas and Illinois before december 31.

    I mean, I would love for the Oscar films to screen earlier in the year (push it to like October-December instead of most films airing in like January and February), but I think you are overestimating the ignorance of “most people.” I feel like these films are talked about for months if not years before they even come out. A few films always emerge out of relative obscurity (I had admittedly never heard of Moonlight until I think Sundance or maybe even later). But many of the films being mentioned for BP this year (including Black Panther) have been in the public consciousness since pre-production or development.

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    Stegeo
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    Just found out about this, calling this idea terrible is an understatement.

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    Icky
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    What exactly makes a movie a “popular” film? Is it box office, cultural or social media impact? What if a movie is huge internationally but doesn’t do much in the US? Is it still “popular”? Making a lot of money alone makes it popular? But what if it’s not well liked? But about acclaimed films that are supposed to be big block-busters but end up as middling box office success? And does this movie have to be an action or a comedy or a “lite” movie? And what about “small” films that end up being big money and social media draws?

    This is a ghetto-ed Oscar category. Nothing more. The biggest problems lie with the nominating process, the ton of precursors and the academy members themselves. Not the categories. But no casting or stunt or voice-over categories?

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    Riley
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    Nobody knows what makes a “popular film”.  The academy pretty much announced that there will be this new category, but offered no details.  Going by box office is problematic, given that some high-grossing late releases do not cross over into blockbuster territory until after or during voting, so I assume that it will just be open to interpretation as opposed to anything being ineligible.

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    Teridax
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    Just found out about this, calling this idea terrible is an understatement.

    You don’t even know the details yet. This is just a complete PR disaster like Macca said, but nothing more in my opinion. Wait to judge this new category until we know more about it besides the vague premise.

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    Teridax
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    The Oscars are at a place where they are too prestigious to nominate all the garbage general audiences enjoy watching but too myopic to nominate excellent films with little to no FYC marketing.

    It wasn’t always like this. Decades ago, studios were more imaginative with their pictures, so many of the popular films were also some of the best films of the year. Now, every studio film is unlike an assembly line-created car (with occasional exceptions like Dunkirk and Blade Runner 2049).

    All the best filmmakers went independent, sometimes too independent for the Academy and almost always too independent for general audiences.

    I liked The Towering Inferno okay enough but I wouldn’t exactly call that objectively popular (with audiences) film one of the year’s best in spite of its Best Picture nomination decades ago. I swear I’ll literally go insane if I hear “prestigious,” one of the most annoyingly subjective as f**k concepts ever invented, uttered again in this thread. The Oscars are either a joke or irrelevant to most people, the declining ratings are proof of that, and nominating critically acclaimed blockbusters can do nothing except help their public image in the long run. It seems the definition of nearsighted to act like everything is going fine and the creation of a category that is (judging solely by the title of the award) specifically designed to recognize great films that mainstream audiences have actually watched and enjoyed. A Quiet Place, Mission Impossible: Fallout, Isle of Dogs (hopefully, I don’t know if enough people saw it even though it is my #1 favorite movie of the past couple years!), and obviously Black Panther. Those movies were phenomenally received by critics and audiences but would definitely have been snubbed in major categories for smaller “prestige” (aka mediocre Oscar bait most people won’t remember in a few years) films. There are great indie films out there, but I would argue a healthy balance of blockbuster spectacle and independent cinema is the most productive way to go for the Oscars, because right now they lean far too deeply into the indie side of film, thus why this category is such a necessity at the moment.

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