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  • Tyler
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    This feels neccesary

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    Tyler
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    I really can’t with these Tarantino is being misogynistic for portraying violence against women takes. Is that not allowed or something, I honestly just don’t get it.

    I didn’t want to try to explain this without being specific hence the new thread, but I think the argument that Tarantino was misogynistic in his treatment of Tate is completely misguided and unfair. I also think anyone saying the violence against women in the end was misogynistic is ridiculous. I mean we know who these women were, and if it were a guy (and there was a guy!) nobody would think twice.

    That being said, there is something to be said about a slight misogyny in the movie, specifically with Pitt’s character. We are told that he might’ve killed his wife, and in the flashback that follows, the wife character is shown as excessively irritating in a very feminine way: she’s gossiping on the phone, she’s asking for him to do handy work, all stereotypical annoying and exclusively female behaviors. And the scene, like most of Tarantino’s violence, is played for laughs, but the comedy and cartoonish nature of the wife help the audience stay sympathetic with Rick even if he did literally commit murder, which is troubling considering the conclusion is sort of boiled down to good guys vs bad guys, and the punishment the bad guys receive is completely warranted, yet Rick’s behavior goes unpunished, so was it passable? I’m not trying to sound snow-flakey or easily offended, but I think there is an argument there.

    I think overall the nostalgia and desire for the past and “olden days” at the heart of the film is quite conservative. Not necessarily problematic, but for sure conservative.

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    Pulp
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    Okay now that we have a spoilers thread, lets talk about that fucking ending. I mean, he’s done it before, and I reread through the thread and a lot of people saw this coming. Personally I hadn’t even thought of it. I love that it was Mikey Madison in that scene because she’s so good in Better Things, it was fun seeing her getting fucked up.

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    Yo Calvin
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    I honestly wished the ending fight scene somehow involved Sharon Tate and her friends brutally fighting Tex, Sadie, and Katy too. That probably would have brought more controversy to the film though.

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    I will watch it but I heard about the ending. Some were saying that the Manson family were killed easily which made it seem like Sharon Tate and her guest were somewhat at fault of their deaths.

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    I will watch it but I heard about the ending. Some were saying that the Manson family were killed easily which made it seem like Sharon Tate and her guest were somewhat at fault of their deaths.

    It’s Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth’s faults for being fictional.

    Big fan of Better Call Saul, Sex Education, Barry, BoJack Horseman, and, especially, Survivor

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    Pulp
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    Am I the only one who was leaning towards Cliff not having murdered his wife?

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    A fantasy about a man everyone knows hurts women and his enabler becoming heroes is really rich coming from QT.

    brb stanning Adam Driver

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    Update Post 2nd Watch:The way Rick,Cliff kill Charlie’s hippies in the end is so great especially when you know what happen in reality and really hate them.I dont see Cliff being misogynist,that is BS.Now you can say Brad a borderline co-lead but he will be nominated as Best Actor Supporting next year most likely and Leo as lead.

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    M: The Original
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    I’m fine with Rick killing his wife. He was holding that speargun emotionally diminished while she was baiting him to standup to her. Like she asked for it. I was nervous they would show it but editorially it’s stronger for giving Rick a reason and also making it look like a possible accident.

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    This is locked to WIN SAG ensemble.

    My god. this is Tarantino’s most mature work to date. I never knew I wanted to see Manson’s cultists get fried to a crisp.

    And I know folks are saying that Robbie doesnt do anything and not in it much, but if you are voting for Pitt and Leo, then no reason to leave her off the ballot. She’s got the ROLE. It has the rooting factor and it’s really sympathetic.

    It’s probably a real threat to win editing too. The cuts from the movie within movie and editing leo into old timey footage is gonna turn some heads.

    So yeah, I think this is frontrunner to win BP for now. One of the best films I’ve seen all year! Probably like top 3.

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    There was a emotional moment when Rick talks little girl about book he is reading and he says its about a guy who is injured and couldnt get back.I thought this movie is about wasted talent and time both Rick and Cliff character serve as guardians who wasted their’s but who didnt let Sharon waste her talent.I can very well relate to it as I wasted my academic years and sharp witted brain in procrastinating and not studying as much as I should however just now I got admission in film school which I wanted but I could have gotten it at age 17yrs and with better grades rather than at 19yrs and saved 2 yrs..It had a theme of wasted time,talent and sometimes feeling useless..It was so touching on my 2nd watch..I would love to see it again..

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    I didn’t like the film but I did love the scene where Sharon goes in to see her own movie – by far my favorite scene in the movie.

    I think it’s a philosophical and political difference around violence, revenge, and drugs culture that alienates me from most Tarantino movies (and 7 of the 8 coming attractions trailers were for hyper-violent misogynistic revenge-filled imperialistic films – the only exception was “A Beautiful Day In the Neighborhood”). The audience I saw the film consisted of only 4 of us (it was a morning matinee!).

    Many scenes ran way past the amount of screen time that was necessary.

    I so want a strong intelligent director to do a real movie about Sharon Tate (there is a cheesy badly directed movie out there; I mean one that does her justice and is done intelligently and honestly). I think my biggest problem is that was the movie I wanted to see, not this narcissistic self-indulgent mess of a movie.

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    I didn’t like the film but I did love the scene where Sharon goes in to see her own movie – by far my favorite scene in the movie.

    I think it’s a philosophical and political difference around violence, revenge, and drugs culture that alienates me from most Tarantino movies (and 7 of the 8 coming attractions trailers were for hyper-violent misogynistic revenge-filled imperialistic films – the only exception was “A Beautiful Day In the Neighborhood”). The audience I saw the film consisted of only 4 of us (it was a morning matinee!).

    Many scenes ran way past the amount of screen time that was necessary.

    I so want a strong intelligent director to do a real movie about Sharon Tate (there is a cheesy badly directed movie out there; I mean one that does her justice and is done intelligently and honestly). I think my biggest problem is that was the movie I wanted to see, not this narcissistic self-indulgent mess of a movie.

    Well,Dude it was told that it aint a Tate-Manson biopic and they werent the focus.Tarantino aint Scorsese or Spielberg who will make a serious Biopic.

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    This is locked to WIN SAG ensemble.

    This has no chance of winning sag

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