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    Since there’s discussion about a possible first nom for Dunst next year for The Power of the Dog, I was wondering for what performances would you have nominated her and/or giving her the win ?

    Imo, I think she should have at least 5 nominations by now :

    – Interview with the Vampire for BSA

    – Virgin Suicides (she might not do much but she’s the first — and perhaps only — thing you remember from this film) for BSA

    – Eternal Sunshine for BSA (win)

    – Marie-Antoinette for BA

    – Melancholia for BA (win)

    What do you think ?

    And why do you think she was so overlooked by the AMPAS and by televised awards in general ?

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    Interview with the Vampire and Melancholia for sure. I wouldn’t personally nominate her for the other three performances you’ve mentioned but she’s certainly very good in them too. I do definitely see her being nominated so far this decade, she’s one of those actresses who it’s just bizarre to see her not having even a single Oscar nomination yet.

    I will say though, I know most people were saying how the Von Trier ruckus cost her an Oscar nomination that year for Melancholia but personally I’m not sure she would’ve gotten in anyway. It’s a brilliant performance but it just doesn’t seem to really fall in line with what the Academy like to reward.

    FYC:

    Picture - Minari, Nomadland, Another Round, Promising Young Woman
    Director - Chloe Zhao (Nomadland), Lee Isaac Chung (Minari), Thomas Vinterberg (Another Round), Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman)
    Actor - Steven Yeun (Minari), Riz Ahmed (Sound of Metal)
    Actress - Carey Mulligan (Promising Young Woman), Frances McDormand (Nomadland)
    S. Actor - Daniel Kaluuya (Judas and the Black Messiah), Paul Raci (Sound of Metal)
    S. Actress - Youn Yuh-jung (Minari)

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    Interview with the Vampire and Melancholia for sure. I wouldn’t personally nominate her for the other three performances you’ve mentioned but she’s certainly very good in them too. I do definitely see her being nominated so far this decade, she’s one of those actresses who it’s just bizarre to see her not having even a single Oscar nomination yet. I will say though, I know most people were saying how the Von Trier ruckus cost her an Oscar nomination that year for Melancholia but personally I’m not sure she would’ve gotten in anyway. It’s a brilliant performance but it just doesn’t seem to really fall in line with what the Academy like to reward.

    I still don’t get her snub for Interview with the Vampire… I know the movie was far from loved by the critics but that performance was undeniable. And it’s not like they didn’t care about child actors since they awarded Paquin the previous year.

    I totally agree about her chances for Melancholia. I don’t think Von Trier’s comments hindered her that much since she still managed to win Best Actress at Cannes. They were just never going to go for it and it’s sad because that would have been one of the best wins ever.

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    I still don’t get her snub for Interview with the Vampire… I know the movie was far from loved by the critics but that performance was undeniable. And it’s not like they didn’t care about child actors since they awarded Paquin the previous year. I totally agree about her chances for Melancholia. I don’t think Von Trier’s comments hindered her that much since she still managed to win Best Actress at Cannes. They were just never going to go for it and it’s sad because that would have been one of the best wins ever.

    It would’ve been an interesting performance to throw in that year for that particular lineup, which consisted entirely of prestige dramas, Bullets Over Broadway ladies and Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction. Personally I think the Academy really did female performances a disservice that year by having such uninspired lineups for both Lead and Supporting where if they look beyond the usual genres they nominate (i.e. Dunst) or went more international (i.e. Irène Jacob in Three Colours: Red or the ladies from Once Were Warriors and Muriel’s Wedding) we could’ve had ourselves a truly unique year on that front.

    FYC:

    Picture - Minari, Nomadland, Another Round, Promising Young Woman
    Director - Chloe Zhao (Nomadland), Lee Isaac Chung (Minari), Thomas Vinterberg (Another Round), Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman)
    Actor - Steven Yeun (Minari), Riz Ahmed (Sound of Metal)
    Actress - Carey Mulligan (Promising Young Woman), Frances McDormand (Nomadland)
    S. Actor - Daniel Kaluuya (Judas and the Black Messiah), Paul Raci (Sound of Metal)
    S. Actress - Youn Yuh-jung (Minari)

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    Huge fan. My favorite Dunst performances change daily imo. I’ve left out Drop Dead Gorgeous and other similar comedies typecast as “chick flicks” because they’re simply not films people consider Oscar material. With that in mind:

    Interview with the Vampire (undeniable breakout role)
    The Virgin Suicides is a tricky one because she’s excellent but her character is designed to be murky and oblique because the girls are meant to be ultimately unknowable. That said, it’s a very lived-in performance not dissimilar to early Winona Ryder and Kate Winslet. Probably wouldn’t get in.)
    Eternal Sunshine (absofuckinglutely—this is a true supporting performance and she is heartbreakingly brilliant in it)
    – Marie Antoinette (she’s fantastic. she’s naturalistic. incredibly believable and unfair that people only see the film fondly now)
    The Cat’s Meow (FANTASTIC performance. She did Davies’ comedy, she did the drama, her range in this film is a thing of wonder)
    All Good Things (probably supporting, but she is the best thing about this film and again, super super lived-in)
    Melancholia (sorry, but undeniable. She should have swept. And that was a tough year, but it was the best performance. It’s on all the “Top 25 performances of the decade” lists for a reason)
    Bachelorette (if only the Academy valued comedy. she’s savage as hell in this and carries the film’s black comedy amazingly)
    Midnight Special (again, a true supporting performance, incredibly lived-in and natural. It was all about the atmosphere she radiated. Maternal. Maternal performances usually do well in the supporting category if the movie gets traction).
    The Beguiled (100% the MVP of this film).

    Not all of them, but already in her early 20s there was a sense that she should have gotten her first nom already. I genuinely think that her typecasting hurt her, but as to why she kept getting snubbed, it’s truly baffling. It doesn’t make sense, because she’s always been very critically acclaimed in basically everything (except Spider-Man 3 and Elizabethtown).

    The only possible explanation she didn’t rack up noms like Amy Adams is because she didn’t luck out with getting films she could get coattail noms out of because they were Best Picture contenders.

    Ideal world, she’d have gotten all of em, but yeah she should at least have 5 or 6 nominations and a win (either Interview, Eternal Sunshine, but most definitely Melancholia).

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    I totally agree about her chances for Melancholia. I don’t think Von Trier’s comments hindered her that much since she still managed to win Best Actress at Cannes. They were just never going to go for it and it’s sad because that would have been one of the best wins ever.

    Heavily disagree. Melancholia is by far Lars Von Trier’s most accessible (and best!) film. If his comments hadn’t happened, De Niro admitted that Melancholia may have won at Cannes over The Tree of Life (which is……..not an accessible film).

    There is absolutely zero reason why she wouldn’t have gotten a nom like Emily Watson did in Breaking the Waves. Von Trier just broke her momentum. Recall that Melancholia, right after All Good Things, was Dunst’s comeback. The time was ripe for them to say “holy shit, she’s a completely different actor now, award her!”

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    I always found amazing how Watson got nominated with THAT role, in THAT movie, and in a time where her and Von Trier were nobodies. And Björk and Dusnt couldn’t get it… yeah, he ruined both of them chances imo

    Besides that, she also deserved a Supporting nom for The Beguiled

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    Best Actor: Mads Mikkelsen (Another Round)

    Best Actress: Carey Mulligan (Promising Young Woman)

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    Melancholia

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    Heavily disagree. Melancholia is by far Lars Von Trier’s most accessible (and best!) film. If his comments hadn’t happened, De Niro admitted that Melancholia may have won at Cannes over The Tree of Life (which is……..not an accessible film). There is absolutely zero reason why she wouldn’t have gotten a nom like Emily Watson did in Breaking the Waves. Von Trier just broke her momentum. Recall that Melancholia, right after All Good Things, was Dunst’s comeback. The time was ripe for them to say “holy shit, she’s a completely different actor now, award her!”

    Oh ! I didn’t know about what De Niro said. Thank you for the insight !

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    Melancholia…..

    Unpopular Opinion : she did nothing award worthy in The Beguiled

    FYC:

    Best Actor :
    Riz Ahmed for Sound Of Metal
    Delroy Lindo for Da 5 Bloods
    Gary Oldman for Mank

    Best Actress:
    Andra Day for The United States vs Billie Holiday
    Vanessa Kirby for Pieces of a Woman

    Best Supporting Actor:
    Daniel Kaluuya for Judas and the Black Messiah
    Paul Raci for Sound Of Metal

    Best Supporting Actress:
    Amanda Seyfried for Mank
    Helena Zengel for News of the World

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    Unpopular Opinion : she did nothing award worthy in The Beguiled

    There’s a reason this is unpopular.

    It infuriates me, honestly. People stan Amy Adams for getting all those noms because she has such “restraint” and is so “subtle” and “muted” but evokes so much regardless.

    But when Dunst literally makes the whole film by embodying the quiet desperation of a trapped woman who is also the black-sheep-of-the-group, it’s not award-worthy. The Beguiled is only good because of her, there’s literally no emotional momentum or stakes without her.

    Mmkay. Personally, I think it showed a level of restraint and range that I had never seen before because she usually has a tendency to go BIG.

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