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  • abelfenty
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    God no. An Oscar is supposed to be the most prestigious award in Hollywood; adding fan-voted anything just ruins that.

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    Hilton Foster
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    I wish it was like this. Lady Gaga would have deservedly won best actress. I wouldn’t have wanted to see either Black Panther or Bohemian Rhapsody win best picture though

    so convenient…

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    Cordelia
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    Actually, Your Name would’ve gotten a Best Animated Feature nomination in this system so I prefer it now oops.

    Seriously, the animation branch is such a transparently bullshit branch of the Academy that adding 25% audience would probably make it better. 25% more anime nerds would at least mean films like A Silent Voice or Your Name or Paprika would get the respect the Academy would rather give Boss Baby.

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    For Your Consideration:

    Best Picture: Weathering With You, Parasite, The Lighthouse
    Best Supporting Actor: Willem Dafoe - The Lighthouse
    Best Animated Feature: Weathering With You, Promare
    Best International Film: Weathering With You, Parasite

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    FairWeatherAffair
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    I don’t understand the hate towards superhero films. These are films with very big budgets that goes on to gross billions of Dollars. At the end of the day, film making is still a business and the investors expect profit in every project they invest in. The fact that these films are commercial giants shows that the audience truly cares.
    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Even the Oscars is a business and that’s exactly why they’re seeking more viewers. Rewarding a film everyone got to see will surely give them more relevance than the popular tradition of rewarding obscure movies. They would have ended their game this year if they had awarded Roma. At least Green Book was a bit popular with the audience true it’s controversy and TIFF win. It also made over $300m worldwide. See how they failed to reward the amazing Avatar with a best picture win. Give the audience a little chance</p>

    1. Many hate (or at least dislike them) because they think the filmmaking is poor, paint-by-numbers, studio-mandated work.

    2. Filmmaking is *not* a business, but the studios have certainly duped contemporary audiences into thinking it is. The countless artists working outside the studio system, whether within academia or with independent funding or with their fucking iPhone, are still filmmaking.

    3. You’re correct that, on some level, the Oscars are a business; this would explain how terrible some of the decision-making is sometimes at the Board level, and also why membership is into the thousands, which ruins any sort of eclecticism or visionary talent on a regular basis. Where you’re wrong is: “everyone got to see.” Although I can give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that you may have been dabbling in hyperbole, it’s still undoubtedly a lie. Billion-dollar blockbusters are not seen by everyone; they’re seen by teenagers and select adults aged 18-45 on multiple viewings in premium formats. So, of course the box office would reflect that.

    4. If the Oscars are a business, then absolutely they must maintain relevance. But they also have reputation, which means they usually walk a fine line trying to balance the “obscure” (I don’t think you really know what an “obscure” film actually is) with the popular. The good news is, the voting body does a great job of this on its own, and it happens quite naturally because of the way large, aggregate voting works. The most common and most accessible tastes rise to the top, which regularly allows for films making several hundred million dollars (or more!) into the BP nominations. It also allows for indie fare and international cinema (which I assume is your definition of “obscure” — which would be wrong) to make its way, too. Lucky for us that the membership has an affinity for these films.

    5. The Oscars would not have ended had they awarded Roma. They would have continued on as they always do, institution as they are. Rewarding a black-and-white foreign film won’t do them in; Hell, rewarding Polanski’s new film BP wouldn’t even do them in. At this rate, the only way I see them folding is the collapse of Hollywood itself, or the apocalypse (thank you, climate crisis).

    6. Avatar, amazing? Why, because it made some money? Jesus.

    7. If the audience had its way, each BP winner and all the acting categories would go to exactly three movies that: made a lot of money; were memed into infinity on social media; spoon-feed the audience with non-art; project meaningless and bankrupt ideologies; and/or use the characteristic A24 editing and cinematographic techniques. I have no interest in a ceremony where the audience is regularly pushing Avengers: Endgame, Midsommar, and Downton Abbey in the top categories. How dull.

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    babypook
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    I don’t understand the hate towards superhero films. These are films with very big budgets that goes on to gross billions of Dollars. At the end of the day, film making is still a business and the investors expect profit in every project they invest in. The fact that these films are commercial giants shows that the audience truly cares.
    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Even the Oscars is a business and that’s exactly why they’re seeking more viewers. Rewarding a film everyone got to see will surely give them more relevance than the popular tradition of rewarding obscure movies. They would have ended their game this year if they had awarded Roma. At least Green Book was a bit popular with the audience true it’s controversy and TIFF win. It also made over $300m worldwide. See how they failed to reward the amazing Avatar with a best picture win. Give the audience a little chance</p>

    In a perfect world I’d agree.
    If the film is good, or at least as good as the other films nominated, there’s no need for genre bias.
    Now on to discuss what qualifies as good.

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    Lil Tony
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    1. Many hate (or at least dislike them) because they think the filmmaking is poor, paint-by-numbers, studio-mandated work. 2. Filmmaking is *not* a business, but the studios have certainly duped contemporary audiences into thinking it is. The countless artists working outside the studio system, whether within academia or with independent funding or with their fucking iPhone, are still filmmaking. 3. You’re correct that, on some level, the Oscars are a business; this would explain how terrible some of the decision-making is sometimes at the Board level, and also why membership is into the thousands, which ruins any sort of eclecticism or visionary talent on a regular basis. Where you’re wrong is: “everyone got to see.” Although I can give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that you may have been dabbling in hyperbole, it’s still undoubtedly a lie. Billion-dollar blockbusters are not seen by everyone; they’re seen by teenagers and select adults aged 18-45 on multiple viewings in premium formats. So, of course the box office would reflect that. 4. If the Oscars are a business, then absolutely they must maintain relevance. But they also have reputation, which means they usually walk a fine line trying to balance the “obscure” (I don’t think you really know what an “obscure” film actually is) with the popular. The good news is, the voting body does a great job of this on its own, and it happens quite naturally because of the way large, aggregate voting works. The most common and most accessible tastes rise to the top, which regularly allows for films making several hundred million dollars (or more!) into the BP nominations. It also allows for indie fare and international cinema (which I assume is your definition of “obscure” — which would be wrong) to make its way, too. Lucky for us that the membership has an affinity for these films. 5. The Oscars would not have ended had they awarded Roma. They would have continued on as they always do, institution as they are. Rewarding a black-and-white foreign film won’t do them in; Hell, rewarding Polanski’s new film BP wouldn’t even do them in. At this rate, the only way I see them folding is the collapse of Hollywood itself, or the apocalypse (thank you, climate crisis). 6. Avatar, amazing? Why, because it made some money? Jesus. 7. If the audience had its way, each BP winner and all the acting categories would go to exactly three movies that: made a lot of money; were memed into infinity on social media; spoon-feed the audience with non-art; project meaningless and bankrupt ideologies; and/or use the characteristic A24 editing and cinematographic techniques. I have no interest in a ceremony where the audience is regularly pushing Avengers: Endgame, Midsommar, and Downton Abbey in the top categories. How dull.

     I understand all you’ve said. You made great points. But, Avatar was amazing. A whole new level of filmmaking. Highly innovative. If a movie is good, it should be nominated. For the life of me, Logan would have been a much better nominee than The Darkest Hour, Ladybird and The Post. I’ve not seen Midsommar but if I’m to judge by trailers, I’ll take it over some pictures I’ve seen this year. Downton Abbey looks like something that should happen in costume and production designs….I want a supporting actress nom for my Dame no matter the performance (it’s a very sentimental opinion). As for Endgame, it should get a best picture nom…it’s even a bad year for movies.

    Taron Egerton (Rocketman) for best actor. Charlize Theron looks great in Bombshell teaser

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    Awardsfan1990
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    The only reason to allow general audiences to become Academy members is if they’re actually willing to watch 100+ movies a year so they can truly decide what the best movies are from a long list, and if they’re willing to vote seriously in every category, even ones like short films. If an average person doesn’t know what cinematography vs. film editing is, they shouldn’t be able to vote for the Oscars.

    Now as for me, I do take films seriously, and I do know what each category means, so I would definitely love to be an Academy member, even though I know that will never happen since I don’t work in the film industry. But if I ever were, I wouldn’t take my membership for granted and I would make sure I would check off who I personally think the deserving winner is, no matter how popular or not it is with general audiences.

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    babypook
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    Well, this is assuming that voting members actually watch those “hundreds” of films, and doesn’t pass their ballots to their grandchildren, isn’t the SiL of this director or that, parks their politics at the door, and doesn’t owe anyone a favor.

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    Zooey the Dreamer
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    A big NO.
    This is the award voted by the industry. You have the People Choice. We don’t need another award voted by the public.

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    Cordelia
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    Here’s an alternative and what I think could work better:

    For best picture, only allow 1 movie per genre to be selected and bring it back down to 5 nominees. I’m tired of only seeing Oscar-bait drama trashes for best picture. This would help foreign language films, animated, horror, etc… get in. It makes sense as I’ve seen a lot of terrific non Oscar baity trash dramas that are much better but get overlooked.

    Plus 5 diverse nominees looks just generally better instead of half of them being comprised of a generic biopic about another generic book adaption that nobody will remember in a 2 years or less.

    As for the other categories, I think it’s fine. The Oscars usually do an okay job selecting the acting, screenplay, technical awards, etc… But, man please do something about the best picture category.

    This is a worse idea than the OP. Your proposal would undermine some genres that have great years. For instance, 1974, Chinatown and The Conversation. Both regarded as great films, both classified as mystery. Do you seriously want to cut one of those films off?

    Would The Shape of Water being nominated mean that Call Me By Your Name doesn’t get nominated because they’re both romances? Or does The Shape of Water get deemed fantasy? Genres can mix and match, so this process you’re asking for just wouldn’t work. If you want a cleaner set of nominations, just ask for a return to 5 nominees and stop there.

    And in the worst case, you’d have genre interpretations where popular trash does get the slot over something deserving. Green Book taking the “historical drama” slot from The Favourite is something that could happen under your absurd system.

    For Your Consideration:

    Best Picture: Weathering With You, Parasite, The Lighthouse
    Best Supporting Actor: Willem Dafoe - The Lighthouse
    Best Animated Feature: Weathering With You, Promare
    Best International Film: Weathering With You, Parasite

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    babypook
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    The selection committee for this convoluted system would spend their entire time arguing.

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