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    This subject has been repeteadly on my mind lately, seeing how Wonder Woman 1984 has popped up in some critics list as the worst film of 2020 made me think about some other female led films that have received similar kind of reception the past few years.

    Birds Of Prey, Mulan, Captain Marvel, and i’m sure there are more, what is the common thing with them? They all have Metacritic scores around the 60’s and have been bombarded with criticism mainly from male audiences, i have not seen any of these movies except from Mulan, but are they really that bad or is it just misogyny?

    I just saw a tweet from some film critic celebrating the fact that WW84 is now rotten on RT, and i found that so unprofessional and biased, you can dislike a movie as much as you want, but to praise the fact that it’s not that well received is disgusting, specially with films like that.

    So please, tell me your opinion about these movies, others you would want to point out that had the same issues and discuss uf you think there is a clear bias against female led superhero/fantasy films.

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    I just saw a tweet from some film critic celebrating the fact that WW84 is now rotten on RT, and i found that so unprofessional and biased, you can dislike a movie as much as you want, but to praise the fact that it’s not that well received is disgusting, specially with films like that.

    Who?

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    Who?

    Kyle Smith from National Review! He posted a picture of WW84 with a 59% at RT saying “we did it guys it’s officially rotten”.

    Like ???? What’s wrong with you dude haha

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    In case of Captain Marvel it’s definitely misogyny and bias. That was a pretty great superhero movie and they actually managed to maneuver around the Mary Sue problem (which stupid people still inexplicably tried to apply to the film) by making Carol’s backstory a secret to her as well as the audience.
    But Mulan, Birds of Prey, Charlie’s Angels, (also the Aladdin remake where they tried to make Jasmin into more of a character and ironically took away from her arc), those were just pretty awful films. Maybe some of the haters are just misogynistic trolls but those still dislike the right thing for the wrong reasons. Birds of Prey is the least bad out of those but the other ones are just pretty much irredeemable messes that deserve to be bashed. It would be great if they were bashed for their lousy quality and not the gender of their leads though.

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    Lead Actor: Mads Mikkelsen (Another Round)

    Supporting Actress: Maria Bakalova (Borat Subsequent Moviefilm)

    Supporting Actor: Paul Raci (Sound of Metal)

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    Letterboxd: Ray_In_Bruges

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    In case of Captain Marvel it’s definitely misogyny and bias. That was a pretty great superhero movie and they actually managed to maneuver around the Mary Sue problem (which stupid people still inexplicably tried to apply to the film) by making Carol’s backstory a secret to her as well as the audience.
    But Mulan, Birds of Prey, Charlie’s Angels, (also the Aladdin remake where they tried to make Jasmin into more of a character and ironically took away from her arc), those were just pretty awful films. Maybe some of the haters are just misogynistic trolls but those still dislike the right thing for the wrong reasons. Birds of Prey is the least bad out of those but the other ones are just pretty much irredeemable messes that deserve to be bashed. It would be great if they were bashed for their lousy quality and not the gender of their leads though.

    I personally found Mulan to be a completely fine movie, it’s nicely crafted, with flaws in its story, but at the end just a perfectly normal movie haha not amazing, not awful.

    To me their Metacritic scores reflect just that, the fact that those movies are not great, but are not the absolute worst, which i can totally get! I understand a movie’s reception or criticism, but there is a difference when people say “the movie has X or Y problems, yet these are its good aspects” than just thinking a movie is pure crap for something.

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    Kyle Smith from National Review! He posted a picture of WW84 with a 59% at RT saying “we did it guys it’s officially rotten”.

    Like ???? What’s wrong with you dude haha

    That was the most unprofessional and one of the most disgusting/ridiculous things I’ve ever seen in my life. And critics still ask themselves why actors and Hollywood don’t care much about them.

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    There were a ton of men who were upset about the character of Rey being too powerful in The Force Awakens, even though she her share of character flaws to balance it out. Personally, I have problems with how the role was handled in the sequels, but I found her to be a good character in the first one.

    The person who arguably became the face of the backlash towards Rey was John Landis’ son Max Landis, who repeatedly claimed that he wasn’t sexist amidst his own backlash, but then got outed by multiple women a few years later as being a sexual deviant and domestic abuser. I think there were viewers who had legitimate grievances with the film and that character, but I think a lot of the lead role’s backlash was indeed rooted in sexism.

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    That was the most unprofessional and one of the most disgusting/ridiculous things I’ve ever seen in my life. And critics still ask themselves why actors and Hollywood don’t care much about them.

    People show their true colors and then want to act like they did nothing haha.

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    The previous Wonder Woman got strong reviews and almost got a Best Picture nomination.

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    Wonder Woman was a great film and I liked it a lot but I am so perplexed as to how it was so close to getting a BP nomination. It’s a great and fun film but still fairly average DC fare.

    FYC OSCARS : PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN IN ALL CATEGORIES (ESP. ACTRESS – Carey Mulligan AND ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY — EMERALD FENNELL), VANESSA KIRBY FOR "PIECES OF A WOMAN", ESSIE DAVIS FOR "BABYTEETH"

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    I’d still say that if a superhero movie would have been nominated for BP in 2018, it would have been Logan. The Screenplay nomination was a massive deal breaker. Wonder Woman literally didn’t even get a VFX nomination in a year where Kong: Skull Island got in. It would have been a sole Picture nominee, and correct me if I’m wrong but that hasn’t happened in AGES.
    And btw, imho Captain Marvel is easily the better film and more feminist piece compared to Wonder Woman.

    FYC:

    Lead Actor: Mads Mikkelsen (Another Round)

    Supporting Actress: Maria Bakalova (Borat Subsequent Moviefilm)

    Supporting Actor: Paul Raci (Sound of Metal)

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    Letterboxd: Ray_In_Bruges

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    It would have been a sole Picture nominee, and correct me if I’m wrong but that hasn’t happened in AGES.

    I want to say Grand Hotel in 1932? But WW have being heavily campaigned by WB, had a crap ton of narratives being built around (saved DC, one of the genre’s GOATs, leggy box office hit, the first year of the trump administration and MeToo) and it likely would’ve been nominated in the 2009-2010 voting system instead just being a straight #1 vote.

    A not much discussed aspect of failed campaign was Justice League coming out that November and it being an absolute panned, bombed mess, there was a few “honest ballots” that mentioned that they didn’t want it nominated because of the JL taint.

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    The previous Wonder Woman got strong reviews and almost got a Best Picture nomination.

    I wouldn’t say it “almost” got a Best Picture nomination when it didn’t even receive a single one haha, but it sure did receive great reviews which was a breath of fresh air for DC.

    To me the movie is just good, not that different from any other first superhero movie (first as in the first from the specific character, like Thor, Spiderman, Doctor Strange, etc).

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    Yeah Wonder Woman was very good, but it’s just another superhero movie. I disagree with the idea that Captain Marvel was better, as I think Wonder Woman brought more exciting ideas to the formula with ultimately stronger execution.

    Also, Captain Marvel, while a good film, would’ve been much better with a different actress in the lead role. I’m not a Larson hater, but she just didn’t have the charismatic performance that you expect from these movies’ leads. Maybe it’s cause the role is a bit underwritten, but that’s where an Oscar winning actress should’ve been able to fill in the blanks.

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    I wouldn’t say it “almost” got a Best Picture nomination

    PGA nominee.

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