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  • Thomas Eagan
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    Totally disagree Timothy has to be on the your list. Def Timothy vs Oldman. Not even close.

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    Malcolm Dunbar
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    I can’t think of a single performance like Chalamet’s that’s ever won SAG lead actor. They don’t vote for that type of languid, naturalistic performance in that category.

    I wouldn’t say it’s all together unprecedented for Chalamet to win. If Matthew could win for Dallas Buyers Club, and Spacey could win for American Beauty – I don’t see this as a completely out of hand upset. However I would still call Oldman the favorite.

    Still waiting for the hit articles and Oldman’s political views to toss him out from sure bet status but if Affleck could coast to a win, even with his harassment scandals I doubt anything will stop Oldman from winning this year.

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    eastwest
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    Buzz has always been a factor with these awards and Uncle Denzel doesn’t have it. He’s not in second here.

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    M: The Original
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    I don’t believe Oldman is a default sweeper. Only on paper does he make sense because the category’s clear front runner is someone under 25.

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    distain
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    I can’t think of a single performance like Chalamet’s that’s ever won SAG lead actor. They don’t vote for that type of languid, naturalistic performance in that category.

    I wouldn’t say it’s all together unprecedented for Chalamet to win. If Matthew could win for Dallas Buyers Club, and Spacey could win for American Beauty – I don’t see this as a completely out of hand upset. However I would still call Oldman the favorite.

    Still waiting for the hit articles and Oldman’s political views to toss him out from sure bet status but if Affleck could coast to a win, even with his harassment scandals I doubt anything will stop Oldman from winning this year.

    McConaughey was showing visible effort, through his physical transformation. The weight loss made him look like famine victim.

    Spacey was mannered as hell. There was nothing naturalistic about that performance. The soliloquys, the halted and clipped delivery. No one talks or acts like Spacey in American Beauty in real life. It’s a skilled and entertaining “movie” performance. It’s a trick.

    Chalamet just comes across as a kid who was told by the director to play himself, but y’know, a bit more sexually fluid. It’s a way better performance than that description makes it sound, but a lot of actors won’t see a huge degree of difficulty. It just comes off too easy to go over at SAG in this category.

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    What do you mean he’s playing himself?  If you watch any interview with Chalamet you will see how different he is from Elio.  In the book and the movie Elio is spoiled, a lil’ bit cocky, immature and self-indulgent. Timothee couldn’t be more different in real life. Just because his performance is natural and subtle doesn’t mean he’s playing himself. You’re just under the impression that good acting is the ‘look at me’ performance Oldman does.

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    What do you mean he’s playing himself? If you watch any interview with Chalamet you will see how different he is from Elio. In the book and the movie Elio is spoiled, a lil’ bit cocky, immature and self-indulgent. Timothee couldn’t be more different in real life. Just because his performance is natural and subtle doesn’t mean he’s playing himself. You’re just under the impression that good acting is the ‘look at me’ performance Oldman does.

    I’m not saying I personally think Chalamet is playing himself. He’s playing a character. But people don’t know enough about Chalamet yet to know how far removed he may or may not be from his character. As you say, it’s a subtle and and naturalistic performance, so many will assume it’s not a big stretch for him.

    The nature of the SAG lead actor category rewards performances like Oldman’s. I’m not saying in all cases that those performances are neccesarily better.

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    Thomas Eagan
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    We have no idea how Oldmans political views are going to hurt him. HW is very very political and Oldman is very very much on the opposite side of where HW stands politically.

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    lorelei lor
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    According to Timothee playing Elio was not easy so the subtle and naturalistic  performance so many praise required a lot of hard work. Critics love his performance so nobody thinks he’s playing himself. To convey so many emotions -angst, jealousy, melancholy, hope, passion- in such a natural way is certainly not easy. Oldman will probably win because he’s “due” not because his role was more challenging or more difficult.

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    Still waiting for the hit articles and Oldman’s political views to toss him out from sure bet status but if Affleck could coast to a win, even with his harassment scandals I doubt anything will stop Oldman from winning this year.

    I’ve been saying for quite some time that Oldman’s political views could be used against him, especially in this current environment where people are very conscious about what kind of message they appear to be sending. Whether it will be enough to hurt his chances remains to be seen, but he should be prepared for the hit.

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    Keth
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    I haven’t seen “The Darkest Hour” yet, but I hope Oldman’s political views are not considered and just his performance when voting for him or not voting for him.

    Currently, my top 3 are:

    1. Chalamet

    2. Washington

    3. McAvoy (amazing in Split)

    Also, looking forward to Phantom Thread to see where Day-Lewis figures in.

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    Thank you for the insights, they’re actually really interesting.  Totally disagree that Chalamet had a less difficult task in playing Elio.  I would imagine that a naturalistic performance like that would be extremely difficult.  The level of empathy he had was incredible.

    I can see why a physical performance would be the first choice, but there’s something about subtlety that I hope represents a sort of new wave in awarded acting. It’s what made Affleck so interesting to watch last year and Timmy so interesting this year.

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    Andrew Carden
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    Washington doesn’t have a prayer. It’s Oldman’s to lose and, if he inexplicably does, the SAG winner (Chalamet, I imagine) is probs taking the Oscar. But Oldman should be winning here.

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    RicosMama
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    I agree that the SAG is Oldmans to lose, but for some reason I actually think Franco could be the outside chance upset, but I wouldn’t actually predict it in a million years 🙂

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    distain
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    It’s only a tiny sampling, but these are tweets from 3 SAG voters in the last day who have watched Roman J Israel screeners, and they all seem pretty enthusiastic. Like I said, as long as voters are actually watching the screeners, Denzel is probably Gary’s biggest threat at SAG. And I would not have said that before watching the all performances, based on hearsay. Which shows how misleading “buzz” can be. Makes Denzel’s lack of showing with critics groups seem incredibly baffling:

    TrevorAnthony‏ @TrevorAnthony 15h15 hours ago
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    The #SugarBowl has been brutal so I decided to watch another @sagaftra screener and boy did I make the right decision! @RomanJIsraelEsq is awesome! Love me some Denzel!

    https://twitter.com/TrevorAnthony/status/948050183643901953

    Christine‏ @mynameispurpose 20h20 hours ago
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    Denzel Washington’s performance in @RomanJIsraelEsq is really something worth watching. He’s just so damn talented.
    #movies #sagawards #CivilRights

    https://twitter.com/mynameispurpose/status/947971022090850304

    vanessa bednar‏ @VanessaBednar Jan 1
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    You want to watch an Oscar worthy performance? Watch #DenzelWashington @RomanJIsraelEsq

    https://twitter.com/VanessaBednar/status/947741653015543808

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